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I have just been i contact with John Minter from the Minter Exchange. He now agrees that that the evidence points towards my Alice marrying William Wells and not Frank Holmes as previously thought.
I would now like to know if anyone could find descendants for
Births Mar 1914 (>99%)
WELLS William P Minter Greenwich 1d 1981
or Alice Wells 1909 Canada
I presume there must be some or I would not have found the message on Ancestry from Ted Wells. Unfortunately he is no longer a member so I cannot contact him.
In Canada
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Now I have a conundrum. Alice had a sister Daisy,
Marriages Dec 1916 (>99%)
Minter Daisy Selley Greenwich 1d 1827
Selley Harry J Minter Greenwich 1d 1827
Marriages Jun 1916 (>99%)
Minter Daisy Selley Greenwich 1d 2028
Selley Harry J Minter Greenwich 1d 2028
Why do Daisy and Harry have two marriage registrations?
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Births Jun 1928 (>99%)
Holmes Patricia D Minter Woolwich 1d 1671
another birth fo Alice maud minter
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Are any Canadians out there able to add any more. I would love to make contact with Ted Wells but he is not on there any more.
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1901 Address: 127, Ann Street, Plumstead
MINTER, Henry T W Head Married M 31 1870 Skilled Labourer
India VIEW
MINTER, Sarah Wife Married F 35 1866
Barking
Essex VIEW
MINTER, Alice M Daughter Single F 10 1891
Woolwich
London VIEW
MINTER, Henry T M Son Single M 9 1892
Plumstead
Kent VIEW
MINTER, Albert J Son Single M 7 1894
Woolwich
London VIEW
MINTER, Gladys A Daughter Single F 5 1896
Woolwich
London VIEW
MINTER, Leonard V Son Single M 0 (2 MOS) 1901
Plumstead
Kent
I think this is Alice maude
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The Holmes marriage was Alice M Minter so could be Alice Maude 1890
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If William enlisted over here 1914 and Alice was pregnant it would be natural to return home to give birth where she would have support.
I am certain this is the correct marriage just from my memory of aunt Alice in Canada. I would be interested to know about the other Alice Minter though. Can't see another Alice Mary that soort of age.
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I was just looking at the original of the 1911 census. It says that William emigrated 1907 and Alice 1908. Little Alice was born May 1909 in Ontario.
Update: Sorry! Just re-read the thread and you already had that!
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Some one has Bernard on their tree so I have sent a message.
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That marriage is also a puzzle.There was another branch of the Minter family in Woolwich and as no proven connection. I will forward this to John Minter at the Minter exchange (One Name study) for his perusal.
Thanks again.
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There's this marriage.
Woolwich and Greenwich are next door to each other, it doesn't really tie in with the trips to Canada tho'.
Marriages Dec 1910 (>99%)
Ambrose Maud E C Woolwich 1d 2072
Cooper George T Woolwich 1d 2072
Holmes Frank M Woolwich 1d 2072
Minter Alice M Woolwich 1d 2072
And this would be a child of the above union
Births Dec 1917 (>99%)
Holmes Bernard R Minter Woolwich 1d 1611
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I though this was their son. Perhaps they were visiting family when he was born. Explains why he was not on 1911 Canada He was not born.
Births Mar 1914 (>99%)
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WELLS William P Minter Greenwich 1d 1981
Looks like she went out to Canada 1908 to marry.
I wonder if William and Mary are on any passenger lists after that date?
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That would be him as well.
Thank you.
I entered Alice on my tree on day 1 on GR 3 years ago and made little progress till today.
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A William Frank Wells enlisted for WW1 in Canada.
Born; 22 Feb.1887, Greenhithe, Kent, England
Next-of-kin: Wife Mrs Alice M. Wells
Hedge St., Dundas, Ontario
Enlisted 15 Sep. 1914, Valcartier, Quebec.
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Fairthorn you are wonderful. I wonder what happened to young William?
I remember an aunt Alice coming to visit from Canada when I was small. I suspect it would be the 2 year old in 1911. I am at work now so taking a quick look. will be back tonight.
Thanks a lot.
Christine
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1911 Census of Canada
Name: Alice Wells
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Age: 28
Birth Date: Nov 1882 <<<<<<<<<<<
Birthplace: England
Family Number: 130
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: William <<<<<<<<<<<
Immigration Year: 1908 <<<<<<<<<<<
Tribal: English
Province: Ontario
District: Wentworth
District Number: 135
Sub-District: Dundas
Sub-District Number: 52
Place of Habitation: Dundas
Census Year: 1911
Page: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Wells 24
Alice Wells 28
Alice Wells 2
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If Alice is 2 the marriage is approx 1908/09
1911 Census of Canada
Name: William Wells
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 24
Birth Date: Feb 1887
Birthplace: England
Family Number: 130
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Alice
Immigration Year: 1907
Tribal: English
Province: Ontario
District: Wentworth
District Number: 135
Sub-District: Dundas
Sub-District Number: 52
Place of Habitation: Dundas
Census Year: 1911
Page: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Wells 24
Alice Wells 28
Alice Wells 2 >>>>>Birth Date: May 1909
Birthplace: Ontario
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I would like to find a marriage and subsequent children for this couple.
Births Dec 1882 (>99%)
Minter Alice Mary Greenwich 1d 1068
1891 Address: 98, Lower East Street, Greenwich
MINTER, Francis D Head Married M 31 1860 General Labourer
Greenwich
Kent
MINTER, Mary J Wife Married F 28 1863
Greenwich
Kent
MINTER, Alice M Daughter F 8 1883
Greenwich
Kent
MINTER, Katherine A Daughter F 6 1885
Greenwich
Kent
MINTER, Sarah L Daughter F 4 1887
Greenwich
Kent
MINTER, Daisy Daughter F 2 1889
Greenwich
Kent
MINTER, Maria F Daughter F 0 (9M) 1891
Greenwich
Kent
TURNER, James W Lodger Single M 26 1865 General Labourer
Greenwich
Kent
1901 17 Buckingham Gate, Westminster
FRISBY, Henry R Head Married M 77 1824 Stockbroker
London
FRISBY, Adelaide Wife Married F 60 1841
London
NUNN, Annie Servant Widow F 56 1845 Cook Domestic
Ipswich
Suffolk
NORTHCOTT, Selina Servant Single F 28 1873 Housemaid Domestic
Lapford
North Devon
MENTER, Alice M Servant Single F 19 1882 Kitchen Maid Domestic
Greenwich
Kent
An Alice Mary, 25, departed in 1908 from Liverpool to Quebec, Canada. An Alice, 23, departed in 1905 from Liverpool to New York, USA. May have been this Alice Mary, working on the ships? or perhaps travelling as a servant with her employer?
I found a cryptic message from someone on Ancestry posted several years ago.from a Ted Wells whom I have been unable to contact.
"My Grandfather was William Frank Wells born Feb 22 year 1885-88?? still have to go to cemetery, Born in Englan Greenheth?? thing spelling error there, but paper very faded, he had 7 brothers and sister. Percy who was a MP for Labour party think MP for an area around Swale married a Florence understand he died in 1964 they had a daughter mrs. Glenn Coleman florecne died at age 100 and funeral took place at Vinters Park Maidstone. other brothers are Lenord/Albert/Harris/Connier/Eva/May My grandfather married Alice Mary Minter born Nov. 18,1882 Greewich died 1937 in Canada, she had several brothers & sisters Sally/Kate/Vi/Daisy/Sarah?Wal/Albert/Sidney. Great grandfather would be Francis Daniel Minter died Jauly 31st 1927 age 67, Great Grandmother Mary ane Minter died March 20/1944 age 81If you have any information to this puzzle I would appreciate hearing from You
Thanks
Edward Wells"
I have tracked down The family of William Wells.
1891 Address: 5, Castle Cross, Stone
WELLS, William A Head Married M 26 General Labourer
Knockholt
Kent
WELLS, Laura J Wife Married F 26
Stone
Kent
WELLS, Ethel M Daughter Single F 5
Stone
Kent
WELLS, William F Son Single M 4
Stone
Kent
WELLS, Horace A Son Single M 2
Stone
Kent
WHISKIN, Henry Brother In Law Single M 20 General Labourer
Stone
Kent
WELLS, Ernest Brother Single M 17 General Labourer
Greenhithe
Kent
COOPER, James Lodger Single M 12 Page Boy
Wilmington
Kent
1901 Address: 4, Castle Cross, Stone
WELLS, Wm A Head Married M 36 1865 Cement Burner (Labourer)
Knockholt
Kent
WELLS, Laura J Wife Married F 36 1865
2 Castle Cross Stone
WELLS, Ernest Brother-In-Law Single M 26 1875 Cement Labourer
Lexbottom
Kent
WELLS, Wm F Son M 14 1887 Work In Shop At Hall's Iron Foundry
4 Castle Cross Stone
Kent
WELLS, Horace A Son M 12 1889
4 Castle Cross Stone
Kent
WELLS, Percy L Son M 9 1892
4 Castle Cross Stone
Kent
WELLS, Eva A Daughter F 7 1894
4 Castle Cross Stone
Kent
WELLS, Constance M Daughter F 5 1896
4 Castle Cross Stone
Kent
WELLS, Leonard T Son M 2 1899
4 Castle Cross Stone
Kent
WELLS, Albert E Son M 0 (6 MOS) 1901
4 Castle Cross Stone
Kent
I think they may have had a son William P Wells before they left Greenwich.
Alice has a brother Albert G Minter.
Findmypast.com has an Albert G Minter, 19, departing from Liverpool in 1920 for Halifax, Canada.Perhaps visiting his older sister.
Ancestry.com has a record of a service pension being paid to Albert George Minter. The form is dated 11 August 1919 and shows Albert's birthplace as Greenwich, his age as 18 years 240 days, occupation Labourer and that he was in the Rifle Brigade, number 39408. He served until 18 November 1919. Next of kin were shown as father, Francis and mother Mary of 58 East... Street, Greenwich SE. Albert was assessed to be 20% disabled when he left the army and received a small weekly allowance.
Sorry this is long winded but it saves someone duplicating what I know.
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