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1891

Name: William Lines
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary J
Where born: Peterbrs, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil Parish: Sculcoates

William Lines 35
Mary J Lines 34
John W Lines 14
Henry Lines 12
Rose Lines 11
Albert Lines 6
Arthur E Lines 6
Herbert Lines 4
Ethel Lines 1

*** Hah! no, actually I think I've got it all wrong. ***

Why didn't I just take my own advice?? Wait for the necessary info.


1901

Name: William Lines
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Peterborough, Northamptonshire, England

Civil Parish: Sculcoates

William Lines 45
Mary Lines 44
Harry Lines 22
Arthur Lines 17
Albert Lines 16
Herbert Lines 14
Ethel Lines 11
Gerty Lines 8 months


William Lines from *Towcester* has independent existence in 1891 and 1901, married to Sarah. !! (with a son named Owen, so we can trace the connection back to the 1841 household)

And our William's DOB per this census is *not* 1852 or close, it's 1856.

Here I am doing what I always say I won't do ... doing it all.

Susan, go to the IGI

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/igi/search_igi.asp

and search for the birth of Victoria Lines, 1835 +/- 5 years, anywhere in England.

Now, I don't think those are your William's parents. I think they're his grandparents.

I think, as was more often than not the case, he was named after his grandfather, though. ;)

Evie

Apologies - had to pop out for a few minutes. Susan has sent a PM apologising for not getting back to you all, explaining that this is her first post and she wasn't sure how to reply.

She has had to log out unfortunately, but I have explained how to post a reply.

My current bet is that Jane was his grandmother, not his mother, and Emerson was his father's surname.

An ancestor of mine had a child before she married, in that area of Northamptonshire, around that same time. The father's surname is on the birth certificate. You might strike it equally lucky, Susan.


Jane in 1841:

Name: Jane Lines
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Where born: Northamptonshire, England

Civil Parish: Chipping Warden
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Registration district: Banbury

Jane Lines 30
Mary Ann Lines 10
Owen Lines 7
Victoria Lines 5


Mary Ann or Victoria could be the mother of a chlid born c1852.

Noooo ... Jane was not married.

Name: Jane Lines
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Where born: Blakesley, Northamptonshire, England

Civil Parish: Chipping Warden
County/Island: Northamptonshire

George Golby 48
Mary Golby 53
Louisa Parrott 7
Jane Lines 40

Blast Ancestry. She doesn't belong to the Golby household. She is on her own.

Widow, charwoman. "Widowed" may or may not be true, of course.

So she *was* married, but not when she had William. Or so it seems.

?

Births Jun 1852
Lines William Emerson Towcester 3b 26


Marriages Jun 1859
Lines Jane Banbury 3a 879 Scan available - click to view
Smith James Banbury 3a 879


So this birth may be a possible:

Births Jun 1851
Lines William Banbury 16 4


First step, and where we should stop here:

get the Lines-Ealey marriage certificate for William's father's name.

... assuming his parents were married or the father's name is given on the certificate ...

Good bet for 1861.


Name: William Lines
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Son-in-law [i.e. stepson of head of household]
Where born: Towcester, Northamptonshire, England

Civil Parish: Byfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Brackley
County/Island: Northamptonshire

Registration district: Daventry

James Smith 42
Jane Smith 50
Hannah M Smith 14
James Smith 12
Sarah Smith 10
William Lines 8


Could be Smith in 1871 ...

1871


Name: Mary J Eley
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Where born: Retford, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Sculcoates St Mary
County/Island: Yorkshire

John Eley 53
Mary Eley 50
George Eley 17
Mary Eley 17
Mary J Eley 14
Rosanna Eley 9


Williams ...

1849 Weedon Northamptonshire
1852 Leicestershire
1953 Leicestershire

...

So according to the 1881 he was not born in Hull.


Name: William Lines
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary J.
>>>> Where born: Peterboro -- i.e. Northamptonshire
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: General Laborer

Name: Mary J. Lines
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Where born: Retford, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Sculcoates
County/Island: Yorkshire

Street address: 3 Thomas Place

Registration district: Sculcoates

William Lines 25
Mary J. Lines 24
John W. Lines 4
Henry Lines 2
Rose Lines 1


This is feeling a bit like a wild goose chase. How much of that info was not correct, and when might Susan return?

Well ... somebody who was 52 in 1918 did not marry in 1876!

I think I'll wait for confirmation of some accurate info.

Deaths Dec 1918
Lines Mary J 52 Sculcoates 9d 475
= DOB 1866

not 1858? DOB on death record could be inaccurate.

Is this William?

Deaths Sep 1902
Lines William 47 Sculcoates 9d 117
= DOB 1854 or 1855, if accurate on death record.

Found the marriage!!

Marriages Jun 1876 (>99%)
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Ealey Mary Jane Sculcoates 9d 264
Lines William Sculcoates 9d 264
Osborne John William Sculcoates 9d 264
White Elizabeth Sarah Sculcoates 9d 264


If this is the correct marriage, then it might be best to spend the £7.00 on the certificate. That way you know your information regarding parents is 100% correct and can go one step backwards with confidence.

Where did William and Mary Jane live after marriage?

This looks like the William from 1861, in 1901:


Name: William Lines
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Mary A
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Boston
County/Island: Lincolnshire

Mary A Lines 83
William Lines 48
Arthur Cole 15


No Mary Jane.

I'm not entirely sure the 1861 census is the correct William. The 1901 census shows him living at home with Mary A Lines (mother) and appears to show him as unmarried.

1901 England Census
about William Lines
Name: William Lines
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Boston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Botolph
Town: Boston
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Boston
Sub registration district: Boston
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 77
Household Members: Name Age
Mary A Lines 83
William Lines 48
Arthur Cole 15

Ah, first things first.

Where is your info from?

There were close to a dozen William Lines-s born 1852. If your info is from a census, it's more likely he was born 1851.

Where was he born? Oops - did I miss "born Hull"?

There's a birth in Sep quarter 1852 in Hull. That certificate would give you his parents' names. But you need his marriage certificate to make sure the father's name matches.


When and where did they marry? As NinjaLady says, there's no marriage apparent in the GRO index.

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

Is it possible Mary Jane had been married before, and remarried under a different surname? Do you have her surname from a child's birth certificate?

Can you give their children's names, to help find the household in censuses?

Any and all info you have (and the sources) -- hand it over! ;)

Could this be the parents' marriage


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Benjamin Lines
Name: Benjamin Lines to Mary Ann Eland
Year of Registration: 1851
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Kingston Upon Hull
County: Yorkshire - East Riding
Volume: 22
Page: 351

Do you know when and where he married Mary Jane Elley? I can't find anything at the moment.

This may be him in 1861...

1861 England Census
about William Lines
Name: William Lines
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Benjamin
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Boston
Ecclesiastical parish: Lincoln
Town: Boston
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Boston
Sub registration district: Boston
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 119
Household Members: Name Age
Benjamin Lines 42
Mary Ann Lines 44
William Lines 9

Hi, does anyone have any info or could anyone help in tracing the parents of a WillIam Lines, born 1856 died 1902, married Mary Jane Ealey born 1858 died 1918. I would like to find the parents and siblings of William Lines. I am pretty new to this, so any help would be grately appreciated.