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YAYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!

Just found this:

1841 census transcription details for: Dudley Street, Wolverhampton
National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 1000 Book/Folio: 2/9 Page: 11

Reg. District: Wolverhampton & Seisdon Sub District: Wolverhampton Western
Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District:
Parish: Wolverhampton City/Municipal Borough: Wolverhampton
Address: Dudley Street, Wolverhampton
County: Staffordshire

Name Relation Sex Age Birth Where Born
WILLIAMS, Mary F 60 1781 Staffordshire
WALFORD, Henry M 20 1821 Staffordshire

and on the actual census sheet , Henry is shown as being a Locksmith. Later on in the censuses he is shown as being a Blacksmith. Can't be a coincidence, surely? Please?

Now all I need is a marriage of some kind......

Lynne

(smiling from ear to ear)

Hi Victoria -

I think I've found the family (minus Elizabeth) in 1841:

1841 census transcription details for: Dudley Street, Wolverhampton
National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 1000 Book/Folio: 2/7 Page: 7

Reg. District: Wolverhampton & Seisdon
Sub District: Wolverhampton Western
Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District:
Parish: Wolverhampton City/Municipal Borough: Wolverhampton
Address: Dudley Street, Wolverhampton
County: Staffordshire

Name Relation Sex Age Birth Where Born

COOPER, William M 55 1786 Staffordshire
COOPER, Eliza F 50 1791 Staffordshire
COOPER, Thomas M 12 1829 Staffordshire
SMOUTH, Richard M 25 1816 (Lodger)


This would tally with the 1851, where Henry and ELizabeth are living (or staying) with mother Elizabeth Cooper and brother Thomas Cooper (born 1829). This is the only family I can find with a WIlliam as father, Eliz* as mother and Thomas as son. Which means Elizabeth was elsewhere on census night. Now to find her....

Oooh, don't you just LOVE being a detective??

Lynne

Me neither. If Elizabeth was born in 1821, she would have been 20ish in 1841 - so could have been living away from her family as a servant or something. I'll have a look at that now.

Can't find Henry Walford ANYWHERE!!!

Lynne

not having any luck finding them in 1841

Hi Victoria - thank you for getting back on the case!! The census records you have are the ones I have - nice to get corroboration!

The birth looks likely - I've been searching as well, and can't find another that's as good a match.

As for the marriage - well.

The only likely marriage coming up for Henry Walford from 1837 through to 1851 is the one to Elizabeth Francis in 1850. So, I've searched for a possible marriage for Elizabeth Cooper to someone called Francis - nothing showing from 1837 onwards.

I'd already sent for the marriage cert of Henry Walford and Elizabeth Francis believing it was the right one - hopefully it will arrive tomorrow, and I can see if she was married before, or even if she was actually called Elizabeth Francis Cooper!! (But wouldn't that be Frances - female version?). In the meantime, if you have any other ideas I'd love to hear them!

Thanks again

Lynne
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this is where the Elizabeth Francis came from
(just for info)
Henry Walford
Year of Registration: 1850
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Wolverhampton
County: Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands
Volume: 17
Page: 430


Mary Davis 1850 Wolverhampton Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands
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Elizabeth Francis 1850 Wolverhampton Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands
View Record
Enoch Haywood 1850 Wolverhampton Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands
View Record
Benjamin Hughes 1850 Wolverhampton Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands
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Joseph Partridge 1850 Wolverhampton Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands
View Record
Henry Walford 1850 Wolverhampton Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands
View Record
Matilda Walker 1850 Wolverhampton Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands
View Record
Sarah Wood 1850 Wolverhampton Shropshire, Staffordshire, West Midlands

could be her birth

ELIZABETH COOPER Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 08 AUG 1821 Saint Peter Or Collegiate, Wolverhampton, Stafford, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: WILLIAM COOPER Family
Mother: ELIZABETH


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C010203

posting for info

1851
Elizth Walford
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: W Hampton, Staffordshire, England

1861

Elisbeth Walford
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry
Gender: Female
Where born: Wolverhampton

Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub registration district: Wolverhampton Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 105
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Walford 43
Elisbeth Walford 40
Thomas Walford 10
Henry Walford 7
Joseph Walford 4
George Walford 5 Mo

1871

Elizabeth Walford
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry
Gender: Female
Where born: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Wolverhampton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub registration district: Wolverhampton Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 82
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Walford 53
Elizabeth Walford 49
Thomas Walford 19
Joseph Walford 18
George Walford 10

Just had a look at my 1851 census - should have guessed! Henry is shown as a Relative, and both Elizabeth Cooper and Elizabeth Walford are shown as Washerwoman - must have been a family business!

Off now to collect grandchild from school - then I'll be doing my own washing!! (lol)

Back later to search for marriage.

Lynne
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Wilma -

THANK YOU for a fresh pair of eyes - I should have worked that one out for myself....

I have Henry and Elizabeth on the 1851 census right through to both their deaths, and never even considered looking at who they were living with!! I suppose I had got so fixed on her being Elizabeth Francis that the details on the 1851 had slipped by me!

That's solved that little mystery. Now for the marriage....

Lynne
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Do you already have this information?

1851 England Census
Name: Henry Walford
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Relative (Other Relative)
Gender: Male
Where born: Penn, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub registration district: Wolverhampton Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 1c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 74
Household Members: Name Age
Elizth Cooper 53
Thos Cooper 22
Henry Walford 32
Elizth Walford 30

Hi Wilma - thanks for that. I'm going to try and find Elizabeth on the 1841 census - the first child of the marriage was born about 1851, so that marriage you found could be the one.

Will post later if I find anything!

Lynne
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Just been having a look at your thread.

There's a 'man' missing from this marriage record - could be Henry Walford .....

Marriages Jun 1849 (>99%)
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APPLEBY John Wolverhampton 17 380
Baker Mary Ann Wolverhampton 17 380
CARELESS Henry Wolverhampton 17 380
**************Cooper Elizabeth Wolverhampton 17 380
Jeavons Mary Wolverhampton 17 380
Lockett Eliza Wolverhampton 17 380
Meakin John Wolverhampton 17 380
Mittonnette Frederick Wolverhampton 17 380
PUGH Susannah Wolverhampton 17 380

Wilma

UPDATE

I've just received Jospeh Walford's birth certificate - and his mother is shown as Elizabeth Walford formerly COOPER.

So - out goes Elizabeth Francis - and now I need to find a marriage for Henry Walford to Elizabeth Cooper. Back to the drawing board.....

Lynne
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And also this from Michael:

New message to Lynne-??????-Poss-Marriage-?????-you must check-!

From MichaelIGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
British Isles
Search Results | Download | Print

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WILLIAM WALFORD Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: REBECCA TRANTER Family
Marriage: 08 SEP 1816 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England



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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.


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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

M010723 1796 - 1817


Thank you both for your help with this

Lynne

Hi Victoria (in case you are still reading this!)

Had a pm from Michael with this info:

New message to Lynne---siblings--of henry--just in case

From MichaelResults for: Stafford, England, British Isles
Father: William Walford, Mother: Rebbeca
Exact Spelling: Off
[refine search] [Print]
Prepare selected records for download

International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 12
Select records to download - (50 maximum)
1. HENRY WALFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 04 AUG 1817 Penn, Stafford, England

2. JOHN WALFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Death: 11 DEC 1821

3. JOHN WALFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 18 NOV 1821 Penn, Stafford, England

4. CAROLINE WALFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Death: 18 NOV 1832

5. CAROLINE WALFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 NOV 1829 Penn, Stafford, England

6. EDWARD WALFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 02 FEB 1823 Penn, Stafford, England

7. MARY ANN WALFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Death: 06 NOV 1824

8. MARY ANN WALFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 27 JUN 1824 Penn, Stafford, England

9. WILLIAM WALFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 30 SEP 1820 Penn, Stafford, England

10. CAROLINE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 NOV 1829 Penn, Stafford, England

11. MARY ANN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 27 JUN 1824 Penn, Stafford, England

12. JANE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 02 FEB 1819 Penn, Stafford, England

the christening comes up in ancestry in the England and Wales christening records 1530-1906

also www.familysearch.org
Batch Number: C010283


International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 6
Select records to download - (50 maximum)
1. HENRY WALFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 04 AUG 1817 Penn, Stafford, England
2. JOHN WALFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 18 NOV 1821 Penn, Stafford, England
3. CAROLINE WALFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 NOV 1829 Penn, Stafford, England
4. EDWARD WALFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 02 FEB 1823 Penn, Stafford, England
5. MARY ANN WALFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 27 JUN 1824 Penn, Stafford, England
6. WILLIAM WALFORD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 30 SEP 1820 Penn, Stafford, England

Hi Victoria

I just checked out that link you gave me - it's definitely the same family. My Henry and his sons are on that tree as well. And to clinch it is Elizabeth as a pauper in the Workhouse - although they are not so forthcoming about the lunatic bit!!!

Anyway, I've sent the tree owner a message, so hopefully he will get back to me, and we can swap info.

Quick query - where did you find the info for Henry's christening? I thought I'd looked everywhere!

Thanks for your help.

Lynne

Thanks Victoria.

Lynne

tree on ancestry confirms your suspicion that Elizabeht was Elizabeth Francis
http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/pt/person.aspx?tid=2633278&pid=-1780198765

this looks like Henry's christening
Name: Henry Walford
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 4 Aug 1817
Christening Place: Penn, Staffordshire, England
Father's Name: William Walford
Mother's Name: Rebecca