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Might be worth buying his first marriage certificate. He may have had the same person as a witness for both.....could be a sibling?

Also, the address he married from in 1911 is not the one he was living at at the time of the census. Perhaps the family living there could be related in some way?

My friend has the certificate relating to John's second marriage. His father is recorded as Thomas KELLEY (deceased), general labourer.

However, whether this is true or not (apropos the story of John's possible desertion and change of name, as mentioned in prervious posting) is anybody's guess!

Penny

PS I guess we'll have to buy the original census image in the hope that the omission of place of birth on the transcription is just an error.

Hi SomersetGirl ...

Many thanks for the census transcription - does it give John's place of birth?

Penny

Hi Christina ...

Absolutely wonderful, you've found him! I've been looking for this couple on and off for a couple of months (even had a friend lined up to do a search of the 1911 census when she next visited TNA!).

I haven't had a lot to do with the 1911 census (am already way back past that era on my own family tree), so did not know that you could search by occupation (thanks, Ricochet, for that tip).

I think that John may very well have been working at the Foleshill Gas Works in Coventry which were opened in 1909.

The reason why it was so important to find John on the 1911 census was to see what was given as his birthplace. There is a story in my friend's family that her grandfather changed his name to KELLEY (presumably sometime before his first marriage in 1907) as he was possibly some sort of army deserter who did not want to be found! Whether his father was actually a Thomas KELLEY remains to be seen.

Once again, thanks to Christina - and everyone else who answered on my thread.

The search for John continues ...

Penny

This looks like him. Searched for John, living in Coventry, occupation just Gas Works (miss off the fitter).


HOUSEHOLD RELLEY JOHN M 1875 36 Coventry Warwickshire

Also in household is:-

HOUSEHOLD RELLEY MARY ANNE F 1875 36 Coventry Warwickshire


You will need to buy credits to view the image.

Unfortunately, no sign of John as a "Gas Works Fitter" (or anything similar) on the 1911 census.

Must go and have some lunch - back later this afternoon!

Penny

Many, many thanks Jerseylily and Andy - you've been of enormous help! Knowing now that Mary Ann "exists" means that I'm more happy to conclude that she was the one who married John KELLEY in 1907.

Penny

Try looking for them in 1911....it's free to search, and you can search by occupation.........

Birth registration of John and Mary Ann's only child:

Mary A. KELLEY
1911 (Q3)
Coventry
(mmn LAVIN)

Death registration of Mary Ann:

Mary A. KELLEY
aged 38
1911 (Q3)
Coventry

(very possible that she died in childbirth or shortly after)

Details from John's second marriage certificate:

John KELLEY, aged 35 years, widower, gas works labourer
Living at 36 Stanley Road, Coventry
Father Thomas KELLEY (deceased), general labourer

(I don't hold the actual certificate, and therefore don't know names of witnesses at the moment.)

Does this help at all!?!?

Penny

Here is the family in 1891. Image says Lavin

1891 England Census
about Mary Ann Louise
Name: Mary Ann Louise
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Coventry, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: St Michael and St John
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael with St John
Town: Coventry
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Coventry
Sub-registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Louise 54
Mary Louise 40
Mary Ann Louise 18


Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2449; Folio 92; Page 12; GSU roll: 6097559.


and 1901

1901 England Census
about Mary A Larin
Name: Mary A Larin
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Coventry, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Coventry
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Coventry
Sub-registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 70
Household Members: Name Age
John Larin 72
Mary Larin 63
Mary A Larin 28
Thomas Cunningham 30




Andy

This is the family that Christina found in 1891
The image is Lavin

John Louise
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Belfast, Ireland

Civil Parish: St Michael and St John
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael with St John
Town: Coventry
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Registration district: Coventry
Sub-registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Louise 54
Mary Louise 40
Mary Ann Louise 18

The names of the respective fathers will be on the marriage cert............as will the names of witnesses, whose identities may prove helpful..........

What was the age given for Mary on the cert? Same for John...........

What was the name of the child of the marriage?

Where did John re-marry?

Hi Christina ...

Your post turned up while I was writing my first reply. This looks as if it could very well be Mary Ann - but I wonder if she was mistranscribed on all the censuses, as I couldn't seem to find her on the 1891 or 1901!

Many thanks for your help.

Penny

Many thanks for your rapid responses.

I'm trying to help a friend trace her grandfather - the John KELLEY already mentioned.

From various BMD certificates already acquired, we know that John KELLEY's first wife was Mary Ann LAVIN and that they had one child. He was then widowed in the second half of 1911 and remarried before the end of the year! The two children from his second marriage are my friend's father and aunt.

Mary Ann LAVIN is therefore only a step-grandmother, but I'm trying to confirm her place of birth so that I can locate her and her husband on the 1911 census. (My friend doesn't know her grandfather's place of birth and we need this to trace him back through the censuses.)

Penny

This may be her in 1881. Image could read Larvin or Lavin, but there is no corresponding birth for a Mary Ann Larvin.

1881 England Census
about Mary Ann Larvin
Name: Mary Ann Larvin
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Coventry, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Coventry St Michael
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: 99 Ho M Park St
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Coventry
Sub-registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Larvin 40....General Labourer....Ireland
Mary Larvin 35.....Ireland
Mary Ann Larvin 8

I would suggest you buy her birth certificate to see who her parents were, then see if they can be found on a later census.

How do you know which man she married?
Do you have info other than this?

Marriages Sep 1907 (>99%)

KELLEY John Coventry 6d 1076
LAVIN Mary Anne Coventry 6d 1076
MAHERS William Coventry 6d 1076
ONIONS Mary Coventry 6d 1076

Do you know who her parents were?

What has led to your resarching this person?

Hi ...

Rapidly approaching my wit's end, so can anyone please help me locate this individual. Her birth registration is as follows:

Mary Ann LAVIN
1872 (Q4)
Coventry

I can't seem to locate her on any subsequent census, nor does there seem to be a death record for her.

A Mary Anne LAVIN married a John KELLEY in 1907 (registered in Coventry) and I initially assumed it was the same Mary Ann(e). However, as there seems to be no record of this Mary Ann after her birth in 1872, I'm now thinking it was a different person.

Any help would be most gratefully received!

Thank you.

Penny