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Tracey and Erin
Thank you for all your help so far. I am going to go onto scotlands people and download birth cert etc and see if I can get any other information. I found out from my cousin that one of my grandfathers brothers worked beside my uncle when he was young but when my gran found out she made him quite his job. That was the last time my uncle saw any of his fathers family. I will let you know how I get on.
Thanks again
Ruthxx

Ruth..I have checked out areas in Ireland for the Mack/s surname and although I expected it to be mainly the Counties of the North.. eg Tyrone,Derry etc. I was suprised to find the surname very evident in the Countes Clare Tipp.and Cork.
I also found the surname recorded way back in the 1700s for Paston Norfolk...(monied people..Drapers and Linen.)
The children's names that Wayne/Tracy listed last night corrospond with the ones I sent from the 1881 Census...the only one missing was Margaret..I tried cross ref. a "Margaret b 1857 Kilbarchan" as she may have been married by 1881 but nothing came back for Scottish Lowlands..

Erin
Thanks for all the information. I will have to sit down to tonight and wright all the information I have down. so that i can place it on the board. Someof the information I have came from my mother although at the time she was suffering from dementia and may have been a bit confused with names and dates. The rest from my uncle via my cousin. He didn't know my gg grandfather name but did know his wife name my cousin thought it might be Andrew but we weren't 100% sure.
Thanks again for your help
Ruthx
Again many thanks
Ruthx

Ruth....I have done an extraction search for "Mack..Ireland" and there were 51 listed for the Scottish Lowlands on the 1881 Census....none living in the Kilbarchan area..you state your g.grandmother came over to Scotland from Ireland...you will need to put what info.you already have supporting this on the board ...there are also dozens of Deans from Ireland.

1881 Census....
Nathaniel and Robert Deans living with parents at:

2 West Campbell St.
Paisley High Church.

Andrew 57. Shawl Weaver.
Margaret wife 56...
Robert son 21
Nathaniel 16.
Plus a load of "boarders"



Steeple Sq.No.10
Kilbarchan

Janet Deans M. 42. weaver.
Maggie daughter 18 weaver
Robert son 14 weaver

No husband although she states married.
Steeple St.and Sq. ran continual with one and other.

Deans
...1881 Census Renfrew...there are 166 Deans listed but these are some from Kilbarchan


I have not transcribed them in their entirety as I dont know if you already have this info...if not get back to me....

18 New St. (Backland)
Kilbarchan.

Deans Charlotte W. 44 years. Weaver
Alex.18
Mary 15
Rbt.14
Ellen 14
Andrew 11
James 2.

All the children listed as weavers...except James of course..!

Steeple Street no 15.

Deans James 33...Weaver.
Sarah wife 28
Elizabeth 7
Andrew 5
Maggie 4
Sarah 4 mths

Also living here is Andrew Deans 26yrs. weaver and wife Elizabeth 23.

Tracey
I wonder if it would be worthwhile in trying to find out were the deans name originated? When I was looking into my mothers maternal side I found out that her grandmother came over from Ireland during the potatoe famine. I wonder if the deans name came from England or Ireland? Well I am logging out for tonight as I have to be in work early tomorrow. Thanks again for all your help will let you know if I find out more
Ruthx

I cannot find a relevant birth for Andrew Deans born 1855?


Tracey x

Tracey
Thank you so much. Although i have been trying to find info on my mothers family I have been working blind. It didn't help that I was also trying to do my fathers at the same time and then my husband got interested and I tried to help him with his family. At one point i was getting confused whose wife was whose.
Ruthx

OK, we go furthest back and work forwards...

Starting with a marriage....

MARGARET MACK
Spouse: ANDREW DEANS
Marriage: 28 MAY 1847 Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland

Children of the marriage?

NATHANIEL MACK DEAN
Birth: 07 JAN 1865 Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland

MARGARET DEAN
Birth: 10 MAY 1857 Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland

MATTHEW DEAN
Birth: 20 JUL 1862 Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland

ROBERT DEANS
Birth: 15 DEC 1859 Kilbarchan, Renfrew, Scotland

All children listed as being born of Andrew Dean and Margaret Mack


It looks like the 's' has been dropped before!!


Tracey x

Hi Tracey
My GGgrandfather name was also Andrew. The information came from my mother brother via his son. I had asked him when I first started the search but he wouldn't give me any info but unknown to him i have been pleading with my cousin to try and find out. This he did when his daughter had to do a family tree for her school and as she is the apple of her grandfathers eye he wrote down what he knew and has just passed onto myself. He emailed me at the weekend but I didn't go into my emails until tonight. I will go onto Scotland web site and get the information you have found. Thank you so much
Ruthx

Margaret Deans (MS Mack) Death...

1891 MACK MARGARET DEANS F 67 KILBARCHAN /RENFREW 568/01 0083 VIEW (5 CREDITS)


Tracey x

Going by the dates you have given for Andrew Deans this *looks* to be his death,,,

1 1926 DEANS ANDREW M 71 PAISLEY /RENFREW 573/01 1108 VIEW (5 CREDITS)

1926 - 71 = 1855


Tracey x

OK,

This is Mary Deans (MS Turner) death...

1 1938 TURNER MARY DEANS F 73 KILBARCHAN /RENFREW 568/01 0009 VIEW (5 CREDITS)

You will need to get some credits on Scotlands people to view the cert (which can be downloaded immediately) This cert will tell you whether she survived her husband or not.


Tracey x

Ruth

You've now added a GGGrandfather.... what was his name?

We need as much as you have so we don't repeat info you already have.

Your first ost implied you didn't know further back than William Fergus's birth, infact you know a fair bit more than that!

I will help all i can but i need full information...including all names and dates!


Tracey x

Thanks Tracey
My great grandfather c 1855 married Mary Turner
My great great grandfather c1830 married Margaret Mack
I have been unable to find death cert for either sets of grandparents or any mention of any other children. I have been trying to find any information since last year as my mum wanted to find out more about her fathers family and as she had dementia I was trying to find out as much as possible, she was so happy that I found out about her great grandparents but then came up against a brick wall. Everytime she asked I told her I was trying as hard as possible. Unfortunately my mum passed away very unexpectedly at the end of march but I promised that I would still keep on looking.
Ruth

Is this him?

1905 DEANS WILLIAM FERGUS M KILBARCHAN /RENFREW 568/01 0062

Born 4th october 1905 at 20 Steeple Street, Kilbarchan.
If this is the case his father was...

Andrew Deans a Slater and his mother Mary Turner(image not very clear)

his parents married June 21st 1897 in Kilbarchan.

All this info is available on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. It's a credit pay search site. The credits are fairly cheap and you can view the certs immediately, as i have done.


Regards

Tracey x

Ruth

Do we have any dates?


Tracey x

Came up against a brick wall. trying to find my mothers fathers family. I know they lived in New Street in Kilbarchan and that they were members of the order of the templer. My grandfathers name was William Fergus Deans and I know he had a brother James as well as other siblings. My mother was young when he died and my gran refused my mother any contact with her fathers family, she even dropped the s of my grandfathers surname. Can anyone tell me were to go from here. I have went back to Kilbarchan but have been unable to find out anymore information
Ruth