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It certainly all fits quite amazingly well! How obliging of him to have two distinct occupations throughout all the records. ;)

Will wait for the net instalment.

Hi Janey

Nice to hear from you again! Yes you were right on Page 1 and thanks to you I was able to get Annie Sullivan's death ceritificate. I think that the birth you found for Ruth Anne Taylor is the same person, as the date of birth and her death fit. Also on her birth certificate her father is Edward Taylor, a painter and waiter, the same as on her marriage certificate. Also she was born in Tadcaster, Yorkshire which all fits in with the census records.

I have now sent off for her mother and father's marriage certificate now I know her mother's maiden name. Will let you know the outcome!

Once again Janey many thanks for all your help!

Best wishes

Susan

So I did guess right back on page 1!


1861

Name: Ruth A Taylor
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Caroline
Where born: Tadcaster, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Tadcaster West
Town: Tadcaster
County/Island: Yorkshire
Registration district: Tadcaster

>> Caroline Taylor 41
Elizabeth Taylor 11
Edward Taylor 8
James Taylor 5
George Taylor 3
Ruth A Taylor 1

Mother is married and a waiter's wife, eldest son is Edward ...


1871

>> Name: Edward Taylor
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Stutton, Yorkshire, England
- widower; painter and waiter

Town: Tadcaster
County/Island: Yorkshire
Registration district: Tadcaster

John Parmet 57
Hannah Parmet 63
Ruth Ann Taylor 11
Caroline Taylor 6
Edward Taylor 45


I really really hate it when people delete crucial bits of info from threads so they're not coherent anymore -- there's me referring to a death record etc. that is no longer visible. So just for ref:

Name: Annie Sullivan
Death Registration Month/Year: 1924
Age at death (estimated): 64
Registration district: Bradford
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 92

And the outstanding question is whether this is her birth? --

Births Jun 1860
TAYLOR Ruth Ann Tadcaster 9c 566

Hi Sue in Oz

Many thanks for your message - I think you have found the marriage of my great grandparents (Caroline Pendleton and Edward Taylor). It is the right Engish county and the dates match.

I am going to follow this up and will let you know the outcome.

Thank you so much for taking the time and trouble to find this information for me!

Best regards

Susan in UK.

Hope you don't mind the butting in ,just noticed this.
Sue in OZ.


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Marriages Jun 1851 (>99%)
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Brownridge James Leeds 23 468
Chambers Frances Leeds 23 468
Clarkson William Leeds 23 468
Fairburn Mary Ann Leeds 23 468
Newton Hannah Leeds 23 468
Pendleton Caroline Leeds 23 468 <<<<<<<<<
Taylor Edward Leeds 23 468 <<<<<<<<<<

Hello Janey

Have now received the death certificate for Annie Taylor/Webb/Sullivan which confirmed that she died in 1924 and not 1921 as I originally thought! I also sent for her first husband's (James Webb) death certificate and birth and death certificates for her daughter, Priscilla Webb which I now have. Annie's first husband was only 41 when he died from pleurisy and she was seven months pregnant and also had six other children! She then lost her daughter, Priscilla, from Bronchitis at 19 months. She must have been an incredible woman to have survived all this heartache - I would have loved to have met her or even have a photograph of her but up to now none of her descendants have one but I live in hope!.

She then went on to marry my grandfather, James Sullivan, and to have five more children.

I now have her mother's maiden name, Caroline Pendleton and her father was Edward Taylor so that is my next line of research. Will let you know if I find anything more!

Sorry this is a bit long and rambling - brevity was never my strong point!

I have only just realised that there is a second page to my "threads". They say that you learn something every day - I never knew that a Canuck is a Canadian. I have descendants on my mother's side called Moffat who emigrated to British Columbia in the late 1800's but so far have not been able to trace them but it is a line I am pursuing. .

Once again many thanks for all your help - It has been much appreciated!

Susan

Hey, everybody's name gets misspelled. ;)

One of my favourite little apocryphal tales is of the guy who gave his name to someone, who then asked how to spell it.

The man was gratified and grateful, and proceeded to spell his name:

J-O-N
S-M-Y-T-H.

;)


So -- any progress to report?

To: Janey Canuk and Mistycat

Have now obtained the death certificate for Annie Sullivan who died
21st August 1924. Many thanks to you both for the information you gave me which enabled me to do so!

Have recently made contact with my first cousin on my father's side who I had never met before. We met up in Manchester and I am now able to share all my research on the family with her. We speak on the phone every week and i feel as if I have known her forever. We didn't meet through Genes Reunited but through an advert she put in our local paper.

Once again many many thanks for all your help.

Best wishes

Susan

No prob - I had never realized that the whole world didn't know that a Canuck is a Canadian, or resident of Soviet Canuckistan, to some on US right-wing talk radio. ;)

Enjoy your meet-up! And don't forget to take the old photos.

To Janey Canuck and Mistycat

My apologies Janey for mis- spelling your name!

Regards

Susan

To Janey Cusak and Misty Cat

Have now obtained birth certificate for Ruth Anne Taylor born 1860, her parents are Edward Taylor and Caroline Pendleton so I think I have the right one thanks to you both.

I am about to send off for her death certificate in 1924 in Bradford, Yorkshire. I will let you know when this arrives.

As a matter of interest I am going to meet a cousin tomorrow who is the child of my father's brother, James Sullivan. My father, Thomas Sullivan and James Sullivan were the sons of James Sullivan and Annie Sullivan formerly Webb nee Taylor. She is as interested in the family tree as I am so it should be an interesting meeting!

Once again many thanks to you both. Will keep you posted!

Best regards

Susan

Hi Susan....glad you found us and your welcome....

Misty x

I guess good, but still possibly wrong. ;)


1871

Name: Edward Taylor
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Stutton, Yorkshire, England
- widower; painter and waiter

Town: Tadcaster
County/Island: Yorkshire
Registration district: Tadcaster

John Parmet 57
Hannah Parmet 63
Ruth Ann Taylor 11
Caroline Taylor 6
Edward Taylor 45

What do you think of this one?


1861

Name: Ruth A Taylor
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Caroline
Where born: Tadcaster, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Tadcaster West
Town: Tadcaster
County/Island: Yorkshire
Registration district: Tadcaster


Caroline Taylor 41
Elizabeth Taylor 11
Edward Taylor 8
James Taylor 5
George Taylor 3
Ruth A Taylor 1


Mother is married and a waiter's wife, eldest son is Edward ...


Births Jun 1860
TAYLOR Ruth Ann Tadcaster 9c 566

-- the only birth that fits. The "Ruth A" is a possilble indication she went by the "A", possibly Annie?


I can't see the Taylors (Elizabeth, mother Caroline ...) in 1851, or 1871.


What's Edward's occupation on Annie's marriage certificates?

Hi Susan - hopefully you've figured out that to find your threads anytime, you just have to click on "my threads" over on the left.

That shows any thread you have started - or posted in. So anytime there's a new post in a thread any of us has posted in, we'll see that when we click our own "my threads".

So I did, and I did, and you're welcome!

Do it again when you get that death cert, as we're all nosy enough to want to know. ;)

To Janey Cusack and Mistycat

Hope that this will reach you as I am new to sending my thanks on "trying to find". Many many thanks for the information you sent me regardingmy grandmother, Annie Sullivan.

I think that she was born about 1860. I know that she was still alive in 1912 when her husband, James Sullivan, died as she was the informant. I have found both of her marriages to James Webb and James Suilivan.

The only other information I have is from my father, Thomas Sullivan, who said that he was 21 when his mother died in her sixties. He was born in 1898 so I am assuming that this means that she died in 1919 but this may be incorrect. How I wish that I had listened more carefully!

I did find her in the 1901 census when she was 40 which would put her date of birth about 1860. The strange thing is that I have not been able to obtain a birth certificate for her from Tadcaster as they have no record of this. I know that her father was called Edward Taylor from her marriage certificates.

I will chase up the dates of death for Annie Sullivan that you have given me and hope this will solve the mystery!

Many thanks once again.

Susan

And they match up with names in the 1911 list too. ;)

SULLIVAN GERTRUDE 1894 17 Bradford Yorkshire West Riding
SULLIVAN ANNIE 1896 15 Bradford Yorkshire West Riding
SULLIVAN JAMES 1897 14 Bradford Yorkshire West Riding
SULLIVAN THOMAS 1899 12 Bradford Yorkshire West Riding

That death would match this Annie in the 1911:

SULLIVAN ANNIE 1861 50 Bradford Yorkshire West Riding

-- 50 in early 1911, 64 in later 1924.

The household possibly includes

SULLIVAN JAMES 1857 54 Bradford Yorkshire West Riding

-- there are a number of Sullivans living with an Annie Sullivan in Bradford and it might take some sorting to make sure of who is in her household.

for ref (it's useful for everyone to start with details) - is this correct?


Marriages Dec 1894
Flynn Elizabeth Richmond, Y. 9d 1293
Smith David Richmond, Y. 9d 1293
? Sullivan James Richmond, Y. 9d 1293
? Webb Annie Richmond Y 9d 1293


Where does the 1919 death date info come from?

Have you found her in the 1911?


Telling us her approx date of birth, at least, would help considerably!

My ancestor was Annie Taylor born 1860 in Tadcaster, Yorkshire. She died about 1924 but so far I have not been able to obtain a death certificate for her. She was born Annie Taylor but then married James Webb and after his death married James Sullivan. I have been able to obtain certificates for both of her marriages but not of her death - I think she diied in Bradford , Yorkshire but the Registry Offfice do not have any record of this.

Would be grateful for any information or help.

Susan