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Thank you again Christine,

Barton on Swale is such a small village at that time it seems unlikely that Elizabeth could be bred from anyone else; as you say it certainly narrows the odds.
I have just had a thought too: the earliest child I have for Samuel and Alice from the 1841 census is Samuel c.1825/6.
Elizabeth is born in 1821, so I wonder what year Samuel and Alice were married? Samuel was baptised 4/07/1797.

Off to the searches again.

Regards,

Peter.

I looked not by name but by Elizabeth's place of birth at the whole village and Samuel and Alice were the only Veale family in Barton on Swale, Richmond, North Yorkshire.

Thought that narrowed down the odds a bit.

Thank you Christine for your data.

Unfortunately, I have all this data already, but I cannot tie Elizabeth Veal (b 1821) into it anywhere.
It seems "almost" certain that she is a daughter of Samuel Veale ( Hudswell 1797), but any record of her birth or baptism just seems to be absent.
It is also interesting to note that in 1891, this Elizabeth and her husband Robert Rucroft move from Richmond to live close to Samuel Veal (b1826) in Durham. It leads me to think that he may be her brother, and he is the son of Samuel 1797 and Alice.

Thanks again,

Peter

Deaths Sep 1864 (>99%)
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Veal Samuel Richmond Yk 9d 343


Deaths Dec 1852 (>99%)
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VEAL Alice Richmond Y 9d 341

Just realised my 1841 is the same as Pollypoppet.s earlier post.

I will leave it as FMP is in a different format.

To confirm this you need to check Samuel in 1851

He should be listed as married but Alice will not be with him.

1861
Address: Bolton On Swale Village, Brompton On Swale

VEAL, Samuel Head Widower M 63 1798 Agricultural Labourer
Hudswell
Yorkshire VIEW
VEAL, John Son Unmarried M 26 1835 Agricultural Labourer
Bolton upon Swale
Yorkshire VIEW
VEAL, Alice Daughter Unmarried F 22 1839 Agricultural Labourer
Bolton upon Swale
Yorkshire

possible siblings

1. JOHN VEALE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 24 MAR 1799 Hudswell, Yorkshire, England

2. WILLIAM VEALE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 25 MAR 1793 Hudswell, Yorkshire, England

3. SARAH VEALE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 25 DEC 1795 Hudswell, Yorkshire, England

4. ROBERT VEAL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 14 MAY 1815 Hudswell, Yorkshire, England

5. HILLON VEALE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 19 APR 1812 Hudswell, Yorkshire, England

6. SAMUEL VEALE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 09 APR 1797 Hudswell, Yorkshire, England

This is the only Samuel in Yorkshire around that time so is possible

SAMUEL VEALE Pedigree
Male

Birth:
Christening: 09 APR 1797 Hudswell, Yorkshire, England

Parents:
Father: JOHN VEALE Family
Mother: SARAH
C059921

Could this be Alice?

1841 Address: Bolton Upon Swale, Bolton-On-Swale
VEAL, Samuel M 45 1796 Yorkshire VIEW
VEAL, Alice F 45 1796 Yorkshire VIEW
VEAL, Jane F 14 1827 Yorkshire VIEW
VEAL, Joseph M 10 1831 Yorkshire VIEW
VEAL, John M 6 1835 Yorkshire VIEW
VEAL, Thomas M 4 1837 Yorkshire VIEW
VEAL, Alice F 2 1839 Yorkshire

I also note that Elizabeth has a child born in 1851 ( after census) and wonder if mother? Alice could be at their home for this reason in the 1851 census.

Thank you Polly Poppet,

The 1841 reference to Alice is correct. ( I can't find her maiden name either).
This is the family I am trying to add Elizabeth Veal to, so far without success.
It is annoying, that born c. 1821, she is working as a servant in Richmond in the 1841 census. Married in 1850 to Robert Rucroft, so she is listed as Elizabeth Rucroft in subsequent 1851,1861 census', and therefore no reference to her parentage available there. Except for the fact that an Alice aged 55 is visiting the newlyweds in 1851 census.
The IGI has no reference to her baptism and I cannot find any matches in the Ancestry searches.
Would you know if the 1850 marriage record might have her parents listed on it?

Regards, Peter

1861 for elizabeth

Name Robert Rucroft
Age 37
Estimated Year of Birth 1824
Relationship to Head of Household HEAD
Occupation GROOM (DOMESTIC SERVANT)
Address Hill House Cottage
District Scarborough, Scarborough
Parish
Administrative County Yorkshire
Birth Place Reeth
Birth County YORKSHIRE
in house
robert head 37
elizabeth 39 born barton
reuben 10
mary a 4
sara j 1
RG 9 / 3674

hi possible 1841 for alice
1841 census

Name Elizabeth Rycroft
Age 29
Estimated Year of Birth 1822
Relationship to Head of Household WIFE
Occupation FORMERLY LAUNDRESS
Address Newbeggin
District Richmond, Richmond
Parish
Administrative County Yorkshire
Birth Place Village Barton
Birth County YORKSHIRE
in house
samuel head 45
alice 45
jane 15
joseph 10
john 6
thomas 4
alice 2
ho 107 / 1243 / 8

Sorry Ann of GG,

Her parents would be a Veal's ( or Veale's) as she was Elizabeth Veal when she was born in about 1821 in Barton on Swale, Richmond, North Yorkshire.

Peter.

connection?

Husband
EDWARD MOORE Pedigree


Birth:
Christening:
Marriage: 24 NOV 1801 Richmond Near Leyburn, Yorkshire, England
Death:
Burial:





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Wife
ELIZABETH RUCROFT Pedigree


Birth:
Christening:
Marriage: 24 NOV 1801 Richmond Near Leyburn, Yorkshire, England
Death:
Burial:

Thanks Libby4,
Looks like the right Elizabeth, working for the Yeomann Family in Richmond.
Interestingly, James Ruecroft is present and may be the brother? of her future husband.
Her parents still elude me though.

Peter.

not much help but here she is in 1841


1841 census - household transcription

Person: VEAL, Elizth
Address: Anchorage Hill Hill House, Richmond

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Name Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image
YEOMAN, Margt Bruce F 40 1801 Yorkshire VIEW
YEOMAN, Charlotte F 23 1818 Yorkshire VIEW
YEOMAN, Margt F 15 1826 Yorkshire VIEW
YEOMAN, Constantine M 15 1826 Yorkshire VIEW
YEOMAN, John M 15 1826 Yorkshire VIEW
YEOMAN, Anne F 11 1830 Yorkshire VIEW
YEOMAN, Geo M 5 1836 Yorkshire VIEW
YEOMAN, Robt M 2 1839 Yorkshire VIEW
RUECROFT, John M 25 1816 Yorkshire VIEW
WHITEHEAD, Mary F 30 1811 Yorkshire VIEW
BLAKEY, Hannah F 25 1816 Yorkshire VIEW
GREEN, Elizth F 25 1816 Yorkshire VIEW
FLETCHER, Margt F 20 1821 Yorkshire VIEW
MATSON, Mary F 20 1821 Yorkshire VIEW
VEAL, Elizth F 20 1821 Yorkshire VIEW
CHAMBERS, Ann F 15 1826 VIEW
NICE, Eliza F 20 1821
Registration District:
Richmond Sub District:
Richmond EnumerationDistrict:
Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Richmond Municipal Borough:
Richmond Address:
Anchorage Hill Hill House, Richmond County:
Yorkshire

Can anyone help me with this one?
I am trying to identify the parents of Elizabeth Veal (b abt. 1821 Richmond, Yorkshire) to link her to our tree.
She married Robert Rucroft in 1850 ( Free BMD Marriages), and the Rucrofts ( Rycrofts) fall within our tree from a separate line.

I have looked on Ancestry and Familysearch but she seems to be absent ( unless I have missed her somehow).
I am interested in finding her parents because an Alice Veal visited her and Robert in the 1851 census, and this Alice is a key member of our tree. I am thinking this may be her mother.

Regards,

Peter ( Myra's son helping her build our tree)