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Selian in 1871 but Henry's age has changed!

Can't find any of the family apart for that possible for Selina in Scotland, in 1851!!!

Name: Selina Holiday
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester
Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: London Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 355
Household Members: Name Age
Selina Holiday 50
Henry Holiday 20

Sorry - just realised that that Samuel who had a Selina visiting in Glasgow was actually born in England! I was wondering if he was perhaps a brother of your Samuel's father, William??

I thought that maybe that visiting Selina could have been the same Selina on the 1841 census with husband William and son William.

But on the 1841 census, ages for people over the age of 15 are rounded down to the nearest 5

so you have to allow for up to 4 years in age differences.



sylvia

Samuel born 1841 his father wasnt scottish, but it looks like just Samuel was born in Scotland. His father William seems to have been born in Chorlton. But it seems funny that the Samuel from Scotland born 1827c ended in living with them in Manchester. so they must be conected

What was Samuel's father's name and occupation on his marriage certificate?

I wonder if this is who Samuel was named for??

1851 Census

Name: Samuel Halliday
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Parish Number: 622
Civil parish: Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 4
Occupation: Michanic Millwright
ED: 5A
Page: 29 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 106
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1851_142
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Halliday 24
Mary Halliday 28
John Halliday 4 b Glasgow
Sarah Halliday 3 Glasgow
Janet Baird 64 Mother-in-law b Skye
Christina McKella 18
Selina Halliday 30 Visitor, General Serv. born England


I wonder if Samuel's father was Scottish?

From GENUKI

CHORLTON-UPON-MEDLOCK, a township, five chapelries, and a sub-district in Chorlton district, Manchester parish, Lancashire. The township lies within Manchester borough, and includes the south-eastern part of Manchester city.

Many thanks to root gatherer, it looks like its the same Samuel, in Chorlton upon ;Medlock, i think the family lived at one time in Spotland nearer near Manchester, and I am wondering if Spotland has been mistaken for Scotland. and the Blacksmith spiker is I ;think a Blacksmith striker. Samuel became a blacksmith later on. I had never seen this on e in Chorlton, is Chorlton near Manchester. thanks again E Halliday

Do you have Samuel on earlier census records? I see that in 1871 he does indeed give his place of birth as Glasgow - but I don't see him in 1861 or 1851. Halliday isn't a particularly Glaswegian surname and is much more usual in Dumfries-shire and Kirkcudbrightshire.

I did see this Samuel in 1861 but the birthplace isn't Glasgow and perhaps his mother's name is just a co-incidence! Do you have his father's name and occupation from his marriage certificate?


Name: Samuel Holliday
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Selina
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: London Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 112
Household Members: Name Age
Selina Holliday 40
William Holliday 21
Rachel Holliday 20
Samuel Holliday 16
Joseph Holliday 14
Henry Holliday 8

(Samuel's occupation looks like ???smith sticker?)

Perhaps someone else can have a go at deciphering it.



1841 Census

Name: William Holiday
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Male

Civil parish: Manchester
Hundred: Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Chorlton upon Medlock
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Holiday 25
William Holiday 5 Mo
Selina Holiday 20

Many thanks to everyone for your help , i cant believe i have been struggling all the time, you are all wonderful for what you do. eileen

1891 England Census
about Selina Holliday
Name: Selina Holliday
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Sarah Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Castleton
Ecclesiastical parish: Rochdale
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Rochdale
Sub-registration district: Castleton Nearer
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Ann Holliday 47
Selina Holliday 24
Arthur Holliday 20
Sarah E Holliday 12

if you use the free Mormon LDS site it gives you the variants as well - I put Halliday in and got Hollidays and Holidays

http://www.ancestorhunt.com/mormon_church_records.htm

1881 indexed under Holliday

Arthur Holliday
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Sarah D.
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Castleton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 21 Robinson St
Registration district: Rochdale
Sub-registration district: Castleton Nearer

Sarah D. Holliday 34 (widow)
Selina Holliday 14
Arthur Holliday 10
Sarah E. Holliday 2
Barbara H. Rulner 46 (boarder)

Thanks also to ann, would it make a difference if i have looked for Halliday and it was Holliday

Ann found it also.

You just have to allow for the mistranscriptions of names.
Halliday
Holliday

vivienne, thanks very much, how on earth did you find this, i cant tell you the number of times i have looked many many thanks. eileen

snap Viv!!!!!!

1881 - Sarah is a widow now

Sarah D. HOLLIDAY Head W Female 34 Manchester, Lancashire, England Cotton Weaver
Selina HOLLIDAY Daur Female 14 Manchester, Lancashire, England Rope Maker
Arthur HOLLIDAY Son Male 10 Manchester, Lancashire, England
Sarah E. HOLLIDAY Daur Female 2 Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Barbara H. RULNER Boarder W Female 46 Manchester, Lancashire, England Housekeeper Domestic


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Source Information:
Dwelling 21 Robinson St
Census Place Castleton, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341983
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4108 / 20
Page Number 35

1881 England Census
about Sarah D. Holliday
Name: Sarah D. Holliday
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Castleton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 21 Robinson St
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Cotton Weaver

Registration district: Rochdale
Sub-registration district: Castleton Nearer
ED, institution, or vessel: 13a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah D. Holliday 34
Selina Holliday 14
Arthur Holliday 10
Sarah E. Holliday 2
Barbara H. Rulner 46 <<boarder

PLEASE CAN SOMEONE HELP ME, I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR A FEW YEARS NOW, AND I AM AT A DEAD END.
SAMUEL WAS BORN IN GLASGOW, HE MARRIED SARAH A MILNER OF MANCHESTER AND ON THE 1871 CENSUS HAD THREE CHILDREN, SELINA, SARAH AND ARTHUR. BUT ALL THE FAMILY SEEMS TO DISAPPEAR, THEY CAN ONLY BE LOCATED ON THE 1871 CENSUS IN MANCHESTER. I DONT KNOW WHERE ELSE TO LOOK. THANKS E HALLIDAY