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Hi
Trying to find any info on William J Hatherall born 1890 registered in Pontypridd Wales. Father was Matthew Hatherall.
Any info on marriage/ children would be appreciated
thanks

Could this be him??

1891 Wales Census
about William John Hatherall
Name: William John Hatherall
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Mathew F
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Ystraddyfodwg, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil parish: Ystradyfodwg
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrews
Town: Home Penrhys
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Pontypridd
Sub-registration district: Ystradyfodwg
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mathew F Catherall 51 Collier b Brynmawr.
Jane Catherall 41 b Lidleton, Bedfordshiere
Ruth Warner 11
Elizabeth Hatherall 11
Margaret Warner 9
Floree Jane Warner 4
William John Hatherall 1



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Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4428; Folio 36; Page 18; GSU roll: 6099538.

Source Information:

Dea x

Mandy, are you familiar with freebmd? Just google search it and follow instructions!

There is this marriage possibility:

Marriages Dec 1911 (>99%)
Evans Rachel Pontypridd 11a 995
Hatherall William J Pontypridd 11a 995
Kelly Mary Pontypridd 11a 995

I suspect this William married Mary Kelly as there is this birth, and none for Hatherall/Evans:

Births Mar 1912
Hatherall Mary J Kelly Pontypridd 11a 1205

I'd be inclined to order the marriage cert, using only William's name, to be sure.

Jan

You can search free for marriages on.

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Christine

1911 Census Household Transcript

Name: Relationship to head: Marital Status: Years married: Sex: Age in 1911: Occupation: Where born:
HATHERALL, MATTHEW HEAD MARRIED M 71 OLD AGE PENSION COAL HEWER RETIRED GLOSTER HOXBURY UPTON
HATHERALL, JANE WIFE MARRIED 23 F 62 GLAMORGAN TREALAW
HATHERALL, W J SON SINGLE M 21 COAL MINER HEWER GLAMORGAN TREALAW
BRYANT, GEORGE BOARDER SINGLE M 83 FARM LABOURER BEDS SIDLINGTON
BARGERY, WALTER BOARDER SINGLE M 69 PLASTERER SOMESET YEOVIL
SMITH, SAMUEL BOARDER SINGLE M 31 MASON LABOURER CORNWALL TRWRO


HATHERALL MATTHEW (RG14PN32376 RG78PN1853B RD589 SD4 ED48 SN203)
Address 210 YNYSCYNON ROAD TREALAW RHONDDA County Glamorganshire
District Pontypridd Subdistrict Rhondda
Enumeration District 48 Parish Rhondda

Thank you! this is a great help! While not so much new at this I sometimes seem to get very lost! thank you for you time it is appreciated

mandy

Interesting - from the 1911 - this would be the right year for the marriage, BUT........

Marriages Jun 1888 (>99%)
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>>>Hatherall Arthur Pontypridd 11a 622
JENKINS Aaron Pontypridd 11a 622
JENKINS Rachel Pontypridd 11a 622
>>>Warner Jane Pontypridd 11a 622

Correct year, but Matthew is now ARTHUR!!

Dea x

Do you think there is a reason for the change of name? They are obviously living together in 1911 with children. I dread to think what that could be about!

mandy

Mandy,

Do you have any members in your family emigrating to Australia as I have a William Hatherall b c1832 (place unknown) d 1892 Malvern, Victoria, Australia married to Eliza Sophia Smart (date and place of birth unknown) date and place of marriage unknown.

They had at least 8 chi8ldren between 1858 - 1873 all born in Victoria, Australia.

Can you see any connection to this branch of the Hatherall tree.

Vanessa

Hi Vanessa

As yet I have no connection with Australia and my Hatheralls but in saying that I have very little info on them, they are a mystery to me! will get in touch if there is any news

mandy

Well, I have found Matthew Hatherall on 1851 and 1871 but I am 'blowed' if I can find him on 1861!!!

1851 Wales Census
about Matthew Hatherell
Name: Matthew Hatherell
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Upton, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish or Township: Llangattock
County/Island: Breconshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Occupation: View image
Disability: View image
Registration district: Crickhowell
Sub-registration district: Cwmdu
ED, institution, or vessel: 2f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Hatherell 46 Labr.
Elizabeth Hatherell 49
Tabitha Hatherell 15
Matthew Hatherell 12
Mary Hatherell 3 grand daughter
John Parsons 32 lodger b Somerset
Elizabeth Parsons 23 wife b Upton, Glos.
George Smith 24 lodger b M???? ,Wiltshire


at Blaenclydach.................. all Hatherell's born Upton, Gloucestershire

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2490; Folio: 326; Page: 5; GSU roll: 104251-104252.
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Note that by 1871, Matthew was a widower but I can't find a marriage for him!!

1871 Wales Census
about Matthew Hatherell
Name: Matthew Hatherell
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Axbridge, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: Llanelly
Town: Brynmawr
County/Island: Breconshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Crickhowell
Sub-registration district: Llanelly
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 37
Household Members: Name Age
John Parsons 53 labr.
Elizabeth Parsons 42
Matthew Hatherell 32 boarder. Widr. Miner
Lydia Hatherill 3 boarder b Llanelly
James Spiller 49

at Clydach St., Hill Side

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 5589; Folio: 7; Page: 8; GSU roll: 850875.

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This would be his birth:

Births Dec 1839
Hatherell Matthew Chipping Sodbury 11 208

Dea x

I think Vanessa's William (who went to Australia is very probably connected but I can't quite see how yet.

Although he was born in Wiltshire, he moved to Gloucester with his family - this would, I believe, be him on 1851:

1851 England Census
about William Hatherall
Name: William Hatherall
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Crudwell, Wiltshire, England

Civil parish: Up Hatherley
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England


Registration district: Cheltenham
Sub-registration district: Charlton Kings
ED, institution, or vessel: 9a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Hatherall 53
Ann Hatherall 53
Elizabeth Brooks 29
Jane Hatherall 25
William Hatherall 20 farm Labr.
Isaac Hatherall 9 visitor
Elizabeth Hatherall 5 visitor
Mary Brooks 11 visitor

at Great Field Farm ??
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1972; Folio: 294; Page: 10; GSU roll: 87372.

Source Information

His marriage in 1852:

Marriages Dec 1852 (>99%)
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BLAKE Martha Chippenham 5a 78
BLAKE Ralph Chippenham 5a 78
>>>Hatherall William Chippenham 5a 78
>>>Smart Eliza Chippenham 5a 78


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It looks as though Joseph (William's father) may have been married twice? if this is the same family on 1841?

1841 England Census
about William Hatherall
Name: William Hatherall
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Gender: Male
Where born: Wiltshire, England

Civil parish: Bradford
Hundred: Bradford
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Bradford
Sub-registration district: North Western
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Hatherall 35
Eliza Hatherall 35
Alfred Hatherall 13
George Hatherall 10
William Hatherall 9

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1166; Book: 1; Civil Parish: Bradford;
County: Wiltshire; Enumeration District: 2; Folio: 30; Page: 30; Line: 7; GSU roll: 464192.

Dea x

This looks like Matthew in 1861.

1861 Wales Census
about Mathew Hothersall
Name: Mathew Hothersall
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Trockesbury, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish or Township: Llanelly
Town: Brynmawr
County/Island: Breconshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Crickhowell
Sub-registration district: Llanelly
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 30
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Hothersall 53
Elizabeth Hothersall 56
Mathew Hothersall 22


and 1901

1901 Wales Census
about Matthew Hathervall
Name: Matthew Hathervall
Age in 1901: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Ystradyfodwg
Ecclesiastical parish: Llwynypia St Andrew
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Pontypridd
Sub-registration district: Ystradyfodwg
ED, institution, or vessel: 48
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 226
Household Members: Name Age
Matthew Hathervall 63
Jane Hathervall 52
Florrie Warner Hathervall 14
W J Hathervall 11



Christine

Back to 'your' Matthew!

I think this would be his parents' marriage:

THOMAS HATHERELL
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Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZABETH HALE Family
Marriage: 22 OCT 1832 Hawkesbury, Gloucester, England

Extracted marriage record (so, should be reliable!)
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Some children of Thomas + Elizabeth - Christenings from IGI:

ABITHA HATHERALL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 02 JUL 1837 Hawkesbury, Gloucester, England

JOHN HATHERILL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 07 SEP 1833 Hawkesbury, Gloucester, England

ELIZABETH HATHERELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 14 APR 1835 Hawkesbury, Gloucester, England

RACHEL HATHERELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 14 APR 1835 Hawkesbury, Gloucester, England

MARY HATHERELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 25 JAN 1844 Hawkesbury, Gloucester, England

Dea x

OOOhh!!! - thank you Christine.

I couldn't see them on there.

Dea x

Well I just dont know what to say! I have been away from the computer for a few days and you have been fantastic! thank you for giving so much time for this, I really have been struggling with the Hatheralls for so long.

It really restores your faith to know there are people out there so willing to give their help. thank you thank you thank you!

mandy

You are very welcome Mandy,

There are still some 'loose ends' to tie up on this one, and I am sure you will find that you have a connection to the 'branch' in Australia!

Take time to 'digest' the info found, then come back to us, on this thread and let us know what more you need.

Good luck,

Dea x

Mandy,

My william Hatherall was born to parents william Hatheral and Ann Hoadey. I do not have any information on where or when they were born or married. Maybe their names will give you a lead.

Good Luck
Vanessa
Victoria, Australia

PS: yes the crew in here are BLOODY marvellous. Because of them I have found numerous family members for my tree and quite a few living rellies. KEEP UP THE GOOD JOB PEOPLES

Thank you for your words of praise Vanessa (on behalf of 'the crew'!)

Could you just confirm that 'your' William's parents were William and Ann?

If so, he is not the one I posted on here and have been trying to link with Mandy's family as 'his' parents were JOSEPH and Ann.

Let me know if that is the wrong one and I will look for another.

Dea x

Dea,

His full name was William Joseph Hatherall and Ann Hoadey/hoadie/hoady.

Hatherall hasd been spelt in a variety of ways including Hatherall, Hetherall, Hatherell, Hatheral, Hafferal, Hatteral to give but a few.

Spelling of surname can keep us on our toes wheen looking for family .. LOL

Vanessa
Australia