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This gentleman Edward Carling married a Nora Beaumont in 1922 in Sunderland. The conundrum is, who is the father of Edward, is it Patrick Carling 1876 or Edward Carling 1858. Patrick and Edward are brothers, so the two Edwards are cousins, but which one is married to Nora. Any suggestions anyone. Thanks.

well one of them would have been 64 and their other 46 - I'd plump for the younger one!!

1881

Eward CARLING Head M Male 46 Ireland Laborer In Glass Works
Ann CARLING Wife M Female 41 Ireland Wife
Annie CARLING Daur U Female 19 Sunderland, Durham, England
Eward CARLING Son U Male 17 Sunderland, Durham, England Laborer In Glass Works
John CARLING Son Male 10 Sunderland, Durham, England Scholar
Patrick CARLING Son Male 5 Sunderland, Durham, England Scholar


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Source Information:
Dwelling 27 Hope St N
Census Place Bishopwearmouth, Durham, England
Family History Library Film 1342199
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4987 / 88
Page Number 11

hi is this patrick in 1901
1901 census

Address 145 Rutland St
Civil Parish Sunderland
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish St Lukes
Parliamentary Borough or Division Sunderland
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Sunderland
Administrative County Durham
Householder 1
Name Annie Carling
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 26
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Middlesbro York
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Edward Carling
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 0
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Sunderland
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name Mary Ann Carling
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 3
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Sunderland
Language
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name Patrick Carling
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 26
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Dorge Furnace Man
Employment Status
Where Born Sunderland
Language
Infirmity

Thanks for your reply, and I appreciate what you are suggesting, but did you know Charlie Chapline fathered a child when he was in his 80's.

Yes, this is both the families, the two heads of families are brothers, but it still does not confirm which son married Nora Beaumont 1922. How can I fast forward to 1922 to determine which cousin married Nora.

Order the marriage certificate. It will give the age and father's name of the Edward in question.

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

That is the *only* way to be sure, and the way we all gotta do it.

1911 census
Patrick Carling 1876 Sunderland has a son called Edward born 1901

living Sunderland

I cant seem to find Edward Carling who was 17 in 1881 born Sunderland on the 1911 census

There's a death for an Edward Carling in 1903 in Sunderland. He was 39

Perhaps I am not making myself clear. Patrick had a son called Edward, and Edward had a son called Edward. Patrick and Edward are brothers, so the two sons of the brothers are cousins. They were born within a year of each other. I have a marriage for one of them, whichever Edward would have been approx 22 years old. I appreciate that the only true way would be to order the marriage lines, I wondered if any knew of the family so it would give me an instant answer.

You're welcome.

Here's my theory.

The couple's children were Edward and Thomas.


Births Dec 1901
BEAUMONT Nora Houghton 10a 533

The next Beaumont marriages in Houghton reg dist after 1887 are:

Marriages Jun 1900
Beaumont John Houghton 10a 893
Beaumont Thomas Houghton 10a 889


So my theory is that Nora's father was Thomas, and the two sons were named after the two parents' fathers: Edward and Thomas.

But the answer lies in the marriage certificate.

btw, they do not appear to have been born within a year of each other.


Births Jun 1895
Carling Edward Sunderland 10a 636
Births Dec 1896
Carling Edward Durham 10a 424
Births Jun 1900
Carling Edward Sunderland 10a 635


The only Edward Carling births 1890-1905 in England/Wales. The two Sunderland births are the ones in question?


And the only other possible marriage:

Marriages Dec 1918
CARLING Edward Powell Ripon 9a 105
Powell Levia F Carling Ripon 9a 105


for which there are numerous births in that reg dist (including an Edward but no Patrick).


Births Dec 1892
Powell Levia Frances Knaresbro' 9a 104

Certainly more likely to have married the older Edward.

Well it is a distinct possibility. Nora's father was indeed called Thomas, and one of the Edward's father was called Edward. But Nora's husband was called Edward too. Thank you for the additional info on the children when I get the marriage, I will then have the kids to add to the tree. Thanks.

Thank you again, I seem to have been thrown a bum steer with the former birthdate. I am still new to this game, I know how to check through the census, but I have no access to the 1881 census, other than taking a chance with the IGI. You have given me a few possible leads, and that will take me in another direction, and give me something else to think about. Cheers.

You need FreeBMD.

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

Premier tool for births, marriages and deaths. The transcription (by volunteers) isn't up to date yet -- for events after 1930ish you need Ancestry -- but it's getting there. Free, and easy!

Once again thank you. I must admit I have been relying on others that the info they give me is true. But I guess it is sometimes like Chinese Whispers, it gets diluted along the way. I appreciate all your help and suggestions, and will indeed try the freeBMD. Best wishes

well aware of Charlie Chaplin's prowess!!!!