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if John was baptised in August I would go for this one - the only one in that qtr in Prescot district (unless he was actually John William)

Births Sep 1869 (>99%)
Rigby John Prescott 8b 593

Baptism: 1 Aug 1869 St Nicholas, Sutton, Lancashire, England
John Rigby - Son of John Rigby & Mary
Abode: Sutton
Occupation: Glass Grinder
Baptised by: J Vallancey Curate
Register: Baptisms 1849 - 1870, Page 213, Entry 1659
Source: LDS Film 1657568

Baptism: 2 Oct 1870 St Nicholas, Sutton, Lancashire, England
Joseph Rigby - Son of John Rigby & Mary
Abode: Sutton
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: Philip Norris Curate
Register: Baptisms 1849 - 1870, Page 233, Entry 1839
Source: LDS Film 1657568

Baptism: 25 May 1873 St Nicholas, Sutton, Lancashire, England
Mary Rigby - Daughter of John Rigby & Mary
Abode: Sutton
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: Philip Norris Curate
Register: Baptisms 1871 - 1887, Page 37, Entry 3052
Source: LDS Film 1657568

Baptism: 21 Nov 1875 St Nicholas, Sutton, Lancashire, England
Jane Rigby - Daughter of John Rigby & Mary
Abode: Sutton
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: H J Crockford Curate
Register: Baptisms 1871 - 1887, Page 78, Entry 3380
Source: LDS Film 1657568

He married july 1894 to Elizabeth Hayes and lived round peasley cross area, she died 1915 then he remarried but have not found his death as yet !....Joanie

to be honest folks i seem to lose my way on this one ..
i have bought a cert @ Thomas Rigby married Ellen Brownbill married 1842..with son John Rigby.
then i thought this cert was him...John Rigby married Margaret Bates as they had a son John...

so have bought 4 certs none him.
will go through all this help and see if i can pin him down....once again thank you for ur help.....Joanie

Ive got to get to bed now, Im sure everyone will sort you out :)

Joanie - read through carefully! The "Helen" was a red herring; Heather Posi was looking for people in later censuses who could be yours.

Yours is indeed the one you thought he was -- parents John Rigby and Mary Brownbill.

So you may have to order a couple of certificates to get the right one, but you'll know when you do.

If you search at FreeBMD for John Rigby born in Prescot registration district 1869-1870, you'll see you have about a half-dozen choices.

Since it's Lancashire, I think people here with full Ancestry UK access may be able to find the birth record there - not sure about that.

Joanie, forget the Helen one, see the notes above, I think Mary Brownbill is the mum.

i bought brownbill cert but was unsure it was right one...give me a min whilst i get it out of box...

I think we have mum and dad's marriage there but there are so many John births, I think you may have to choose the likeliest and specify mum and dads name for the cert. It may be easier for this to be done through the office local to the event rather than GRO. If you ring the office they may be a lot more accommodating.

Thank you folks for your kind help Mmmmm i know the names on cert were not rigby...this has given me food for thought, but the name Helen is not within the family, just a thought ...been stuck on this for ages, even been to st helens cemetary he is not there.....Joanie

Oops, heh, I was editing above to add that (takes me longer because I refuse to include all the useless bumph from the Ancestry records!).

Brilliant, 1881 and the Rigbys are living two doors away from a Brownbil family :) So we can be pretty sure the above marriage is the correct one. Dad John is a glass grinder now.

Name: John Rigby
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Sutton, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Sutton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 35 Highfield Street
Education:



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Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 30

Name Age
John Rigby 42
Mary Rigby 41
John Rigby 11
Joseph Rigby 10
Mary Rigby 7

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Possible marraige:

Marriages Sep 1868
>>>>Brownbill Mary Prescott 8b 860
Mellor Thomas Prescott 8b 860
Owens Elizabeth Prescott 8b 860
>>>>RIGBY John Prescot 8b 860

Joanie, give us what you've got!

Who was his wife?? Kids? When/where did he marry? We need to spot him in later censuses to get a handle on him.


Aha. 1881:

Name: John Rigby
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Where born: Sutton, Lancashire, England

>> Occupation: Glass Grinder

Civil parish: Sutton
County/Island: Lancashire

Street Address: 35 Highfield Street

John Rigby 42
Mary Rigby 41
John Rigby 11
Joseph Rigby 10
Mary Rigby 7

yes was looking at that one, as my john names his children ..john - mary - joseph albert - jane...so thought that might fit !...Joanie

I have no idea mums name just his Pa was John.....He also worked in Glass works as a labourer...Joanie

The household in 1871:

John Rigby 32 - labourer
Mary Rigby 31
John Rigby 1
Joseph Rigby 6 months

St Helens, Prescot reg dist


Since there's a 6-mo-old Joseph, i.e. born October-ish 1871, John would have been born sometime from April 1869 to the end of 1869, likely.

*If* that is your John. Have you found the household later and is there a reason to match him with your John? Do you know of any of your John's siblings? Who are the witnesses on the marriage certificate -- any brother or sister?


Note - this is Heather Posi's guy in 1881:

>> William Rigby 54 - clogger
Helen Rigby 45
Julia Rigby 20
Mary E. Rigby 17
John H. Rigby 12
William R.J. Rigby 4

Civil parish: Windle
County/Island: Lancashire

What was your Johns job on the marriage cert?



Take it this is the one you are looking at 1871- would figure as though dad is shown as a labourer, there are a number of men working in glass works around him.

Name: John Rigby
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: St Helens, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Sutton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas
Town: St Helens
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Household schedule number: 87
Household Members:
Name Age
John Rigby 32
Mary Rigby 31
John Rigby 1
Joseph Rigby 6 months

His pa worked in Glass Works and was a grinder....Joanie

yes i did get it but unable to find it right now, but his pa was John on it...no second name sorry...Joanie