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I am trying to find the birth & 1891 census records for Sarah Ann Atkins.
Here she is ( married ) in the 1901 census - it says she is 24yrs old - which makes here birth c1877 - but she married James Nash in Pontypridd in Dec 1891 - that would make her only 11 / 12yrs old??:

Help to find her birth / her family & where she is in 1891 appreciated.

1901
Name: James Nash
Age in 1901: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Ane
Gender: Male
Where born: Forest Denn, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Ystradyfodwg
Ecclesiastical parish: Llwynypia St Andrew
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: they are sharing 170 Rhys Street with a Dando family
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Pontypridd
Sub registration district: Ystradyfodwg
ED, institution, or vessel: 49
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 206
Household Members: Name Age
James Nash 26
James Nash 6
Sarah Ane Nash 24

Marriages Dec 1891
>>Atkins Sarah Ann Pontypridd 11a 839
>>Nash James Pontypridd 11a 839

We would have prefered Sarah's details.
1891
Sarah Nash abt 1876 Berkley, Somerset, England Servant Berkley, Somerset

Thanks Jim

But, I dont think that is the correct Sarah......

I am looking for Sarah Anne Atkins born c1877.

In the 1901 census, her married name is Nash & she says that she was born in High Clifton,
( is that Bristol)? Somerset.

what age does it say she was on her marriage certificate and who was her father?

It kind of makes sense that Sarah Anne Atkins, could have been born
in / nearWales ( and not Somerset )

But, she did say in the census that she was born in High Clifton (?)
I have google Mapped it and there is no such place - only a 'Clifton' - which is in the Bristol Area ( which, I think WAS Somerset, but is now Avon ). - But this is 35min drive by car from Cameley ( her pos father ) & High Littleton ( her pos siblings )......so, Im not sure if this is the right Sarah Atkins.....however - her birth year (1877) is the same! and she could have thought that she was born in Somerset....
It would be great if I could find a birth of a Sarah Ann Atkins in Clifton - then I would know that the one found in Risca, Wales couldnt be the Sarah that I am looking for.

Also,
I still dont understand how she married in -
Marriages Dec 1891
>>Atkins Sarah Ann Pontypridd 11a 839
>>Nash James Pontypridd 11a 839

It cant possibly be the right marriage??? if, she was obly born in 1877 ????
Perhaps just a co-incidence that the couples names are the same......?

anyone got any thoughts please?

I havent yet got the marriage cert for James & Sarah

Do you have the birth certificate for that James Nash living with his father and Sarah Ann Nash in 1901? It is a bit unusual for a couple (at that time) to have been married for 10 years and only have 1 child. Did they have more children? Could that child be the issue of a previous marriage of James's? What led you back to her marrying James Nash in 1891 please? Or is Sarah Ann not the direct line but a sibling of your ancestor and you are trying to find marriages and offspring for all you ancestor's siblings?

the only Sarah I can find baptised in Risca c 1875 is Sarah Jane Hayes in April 1874

Gillian
Do you have the marriage certificate for James Nash and Sarah Ann Atkins?
Have you got her name from one of the children's birth certificate?
If not then how can you be sure that the marriage you have found belongs to the couple in the 1911 census?
Edit Sorry I see you have already said that you don't have the marriage certificate.
So my question remains how can you be sure that marriage belongs to that couple?
Von

Hi Folks - again, many thanks for your help.

Somerset Girl - The family that you have found in 1911 is quite likely to be MY Nash family.

Von - I think that you are correct, I am not sure that the marriage that I found, is the right marriage :
Marriages Dec 1891
>>Atkins Sarah Ann Pontypridd 11a 839
>>Nash James Pontypridd 11a 839
This was the ONLY marriage, that I could find between a James Nash & Sarah Ann ( ?surname unknown) - in Pontypridd......

I need to search more to find any other James Nash & Sarah Ann marriages around 1891/ 93.

Hi Folks

I am struggling to find any marriages of a James Nash & Sarah Ann... (?)
( may not be Atkins)...... c1890-c1894.


all help appreciated.

What relation are you to Sarah, please?

Are you sure that your Sarah married a James Nash?

Who were Sarah's parents or children please?

Sarah is my great grandmother ( my great grandad - James's wife ).
I know nothing about her and am trying to find out who she was & where she came from & her families history etc.

I have their son ( my grandfather ) here in 1901:
1901 CENSUS:
Name: James Nash Age in 1901: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Sarah Ane
Gender: Male
Where born: Penygracy, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Ystradyfodwg
Ecclesiastical parish: Llwynypia St Andrew
County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales
Registration district: Pontypridd
Sub registration district: Ystradyfodwg
ED, institution, or vessel: 49
Household schedule number: 206

James Nash 26 Coal Miner, born Forest of Dean (Gloucs)
James Nash 6
Sarah Ane Nash 24 b. Mid Clifton, Somerset
Full details:
Address 170 Rhys St
Civil Parish Ystradyfodwg
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish Llwynypia St Andrew
Parliamentary Borough or Division Rhondda
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Rhondda
Administrative County Glamorgan
Householder 1
Name James Nash
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 26 Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Coal Hewer
Employment Status
Where Born Glos ...Dean
Language English
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name James Nash
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 6 Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Juvenile
Employment Status
Where Born Glam Penygraig
Language English
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name Sarah Ann Nash
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 24 Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Somerset High Clifton
Language English

Looking at the image again, James is Head of Household. It would appear that the house is divided in 2 and the Nash Family have 2 rooms in it. They are given a sep number on the schedule , indicating they are a sep household.
The people in the other bit of the house are called Dando

hi Gillian

I googled the place name for james birth and it came up with your original thread last June

"I am looking for my Mums Mums family , her name was Martha Ellen Nash Married name (Adams ) born about 1908/09 in Wales her fathers name was James Nash mother Sarah or saran they had I believe three daughters my grandmother Martha and a sister called Rose not sure about the other one I would like to find out more about them and other relatives if I can find some one to help I know about my Grandfather so are more interested in my grandmothers family"

Did you ever get Martha's birth certificate which would have proved her mother's maiden name?
1909
NASH Martha Ellen Pontypridd.11a 728

I wonder if they did not actually marry until much later

Marriages Mar 1905 (>99%)
DAVIES Sarah Ann Pontypridd 11a 768 Scan available - click to view
GRIFFITHS William Pontypridd 11a 768 Scan available - click to view
Nash James Pontypridd 11a 768 Scan available - click to view
STUCKEY Martha Pontypridd 11a 768 Scan available - click to view

(of course that James could have married the Martha so you really do need Martha's birth certificate)

Hi Lancashire Ann

I dont think that the 'original' post that you found - is mine!???

I am actually trying to trace my Dads, side of the family
( Nash) and Sarah is my great grandads wife - so I dont know anything about her.

Can you tell me who made that original post please? and how I can find it (to make contact )

Gillian

Forget the census records for a minute. Do you have your grandfather's birth certificate? What names are given for his parents on it and what was his father's occupation please?

Now back to the census. As I said before, it is a bit unusual (though not unheard of) for a couple married in 1891 to only have 1 child in 10 years. The same family in 1911 have more children. So I am wondering if that Sarah on the 1891 census is the mother or step mother of James.

From your other thread about the wife of James (Junior) I am wondering if you are trying to research your family from word of mouth "facts" and census records. The only way to build a factual family tree involves buying official certificates. For all of us, regardless of age our memories play tricks. You need to remember that people only tell you what they wish you to know and often conceal facts that, to their minds, would tarnish the memory of an ancestor.

apologies Gillian - I should have looked more carefully. I just saw the James Nash and knowing you had a thread about the Nash family..................

Gillian
Could this be your grandfathers birth

Births Mar 1895 (>99%)
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Nash James Pontypridd 11a 640
It might be worth sending for the certificate, You could specify father as checking point and then if it's wrong you won't be charged the full amount.

Alternatively you could get it from the local office.
The Register Office, Courthouse Street, Pontypridd, CF37 1LJ.
Tel: 01443 486869. Fax: 01443 406587.
E-mail: [email protected]
Von