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Thank you Rose You have been a great help to me and I have Just completed my passport thanks to you.

And I will be following up the details you gave about my grandfather.

Once againg thank you and thank you to everyone for your kind help.

Is this his death?

England & Wales, Death Index: 1984-2005
about Frederick Cecil Brown
Name: Frederick Cecil Brown
Birth Date: 17 Nov 1925
Death Registration Month/Year: Aug 1988
Age at death (estimated): 62
Registration district: Knowsley
Inferred County: Merseyside
Volume: 36
Page: 163

Rose

What about his marriage certificates?

Rose

My Grandfathers name was Benjamin Brown and as far as I am aware he had 2 sons Frederick Cecil (my farther) John and daughter Audrey.

I do not know my grandmothers maiden name or any of the above birthdays, I have sent a text to my sister who is in touch with my step-mother to find out my farther's birthday details because I need all this for my passport forms.

I really do appreciate all the help your all giving me

Children look to be Benjamin, Arthur, John and Audrey.

Rose

Could this be it?

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Benjamin Brown
Name: Benjamin Brown
Spouse Surname: Quayle
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1921
Registration district: West Derby
Registration county (inferred): Lancashire
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 1262
Find Spouse: Florence Quayle

Rose

What's your father's name and when and where was he born? His mother's maiden name will be on his birth registration on Ancestry.

Rose

I'm still searching for the details of my fathers Birth certificate as I never had that with the papers.

Would your father's birth certificate not give Ben's wife's name? Unless of course Ben's wife wasn't your father's mother........

I'm so sorry everyone how clumsy of me to miss out his name? Well it was late and this site is very addictive lol

His name was Benjamin Brown and the most I learned about him was when I received some paperwork from my deceased father's estate and in there was a Telegram and scroll from the king, on the back of the telegram was the name of his ship s.s.ceramic, I searched for the ship and found a book had been written about it and its soul survivor.

Listed in there is a causality list, and Benjamin brown is listed in 2 sections The Merchant navy & Ceramics Australian crew and both listed from Sydney, he is listed on Tower hill memorial and also in Canberra in Australia so I'm really confused.

I only know his wife's name had Florence in it and all my info is from the s.s.ceramics site
Http://www.Caroline.howse.btinternet.co.UK/casualtylistindex.htm
He had another son who's name I think was John or Peter and a daughter called Audrey

May I say thank you all so much for your replies and so quickly

Janey,

There were no Ben. Brown's listed in the Australian Merchant Navy.

So I would think Liverpool, U.K. until Jeff tells us differently.

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UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 about Benjamin Brown
Name: Benjamin Brown
Birth Date: abt 1901
Age: 27
Port of Departure: Brisbane, Australia
Arrival Date: 23 Apr 1928
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Natal [Durban], Cape Town, Melbourne, Sydney, Fremantle
Ship Name: Demosthenes
Search Ship Database: View the 'Demosthenes' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Aberdeen & Commonwealth Line
Official Number: 129362

The original also states..

Propossed Address in U.K. .. Sailors Home, Trafford Rd., Manchester
Port of Embarkation .. Melbourne
Prof., Occ or calling .. Seaman
Country of last Permanent Address .. England

Good question. His nationality on the WWII record is given as United Kingdom.

These two Benjamin Browns (no middle initial) would have been 44 on that date, and were born in Liverpool:

Births Sep 1898
Brown Benjamin Liverpool 8b 65

Births Jun 1898
Brown Benjamin W. Derby 8b 559

Oh eek. Was that Liverpool, NSW he moved to??


Did he marry in NSW?

There are 5 Benjamin Brown marriages 1915-1944. If one is him, the certificate should give his parents' names.

http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingMarriage.cgi

Are you sure that he was born in Sydney Australia.??

The only birth there was in 1890..

Reg.No./Year .. 24768/1890
Name .. BROWN BENJAMIN B
Father .. GEORGE T
Mother .. AGNES
District .. NEWTOWN ... a suburb of Sydney.

The only other birth between 1890 & 1900 was ..

Reg.No./Year .. 19512/1899
Name .. BROWN BENJAMIN A
Father .. ROBERT
Mother ..ROSE
District .. BROKEN HILL way out in western NSW.

This Benjamin Brown? ;)

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2796032

Name: BROWN, BENJAMIN
Initials: B
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Trimmer
Regiment/Service: Merchant Navy
Unit Text: S.S. Ceramic (Southampton)
Age: 44
Date of Death: 07/12/1942
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 25.
Memorial: TOWER HILL MEMORIAL

Looks like!

Was it Benjamin Brown?

Rose

His name born 1898?......where?

If you gave us his name, you never know - it might help. ;)

Also any other details you have of him - parents' names, wife's name ...

I have spent many months trying to trace my grandfathers roots He was born in Sydney Australia and was in the merchent navy he was killed in 1942 age 44 aboard the s.s.ceramic.

I know he moved to Liverpool were his last know address was and infact where I was also born I joined Genes reunited in the hope I could trace him but I've failed any help tracing him and I would be most grateful and forever in your debt.

Kind regards
Jeff