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1911 census??? :

COTTER, Johanna Head Widow F 72 1839 Old Age Pensioner Ireland VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
12981 Reference:
RG14PN12981 RG78PN749 RD276 SD3 ED5 SN243

Registration District:
Plymouth Sub District:
Plymouth South West EnumerationDistrict:
5 Parish:
Plymouth

Address:
8 Granby Square Plymouth County:
Devonshire

EEEEhhhh ! - she's getting younger by the minute - must have the secret of 'eternal youth' ?

Dea x

P.S. - Have you considered, it might have been a 'maternal' grandmother and therefore not the name Cotter?

What were the names on the 'other side'?

Dea x

Hmm.....ages vary enourmously from the 91 census but.........


1861 England Census
about Johanna Cotter
Name: Johanna Cotter
[Johanna Reagan]
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: St Andrew
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Plymouth
Sub-registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 569
Household Members: Name Age
James Cotter 35
Johanna Cotter 30
James Cotter 7
William Cotten 5
John Cotten 4
Daniel Cotten 2
Ellen Reagan 50
Micheal Reagan 17
Mary Reagan 7


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It's looking like the right family. Found the death of a Johanna Cotter in the early 20's and she is old.

There are no other deaths older than this one which indicates that it is very probably the person you mention who was born in Ireland


Deaths Sep 1923 (>99%)
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COTTER Johanna 90 Plymouth 5b 275

Ginny
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PS I cant the family anywhere before the 1891 census???

Ginny
Thanks for your hlp thats fantastic. So my John is still born 1884 as far as we can get. Is there any 1871/81 census for James andJohanna? I think they could well be the grandparents.
Lima

Lima

Ive looked at the acutal census and there are some really bad transcriptions!

ive edited the 1891 on page one, have a look

If you send me your email by pm, i'll forward the census so you can have a look and see what you think

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John Cotter born in 1888. He would have been 20 or 21 when he married Ruth Lloyd. Is there a James and JOhanna in the ealier census. Polly Cotter could have been the mother.

Yeah ages werent often given correctly and there is also a 'john' with her, hes listed as 3yrs but he could be the John you have for 1884...without certificates its always going to be a guess

Ginny
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Ginny
That seems much more like her. May be she only got to 99. But there may may have been some confusion about her date of birth. This could be the link.
Lima

Unfortunately the deaths are not yet transcribed for the 1950's so it would be a long trawl through the indexes

Theres this but she wasnt born in 1816???


1891 England Census
about James Cotter
Name: James Cotter
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Johanna
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: St Andrew
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Plymouth
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Plymouth
Sub-registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Cotter 70
Johanna Cotter 60
Polly Cotter 28 >>>>>>>>Her name is 'Connors' mis transcribed
John Cotter 3 >>>>>>Polly's son>Connors
James Cotter 7 >>>>>>>>Childrey
Catherine Cotter 26 >>>Childrey
Annie Cotter 2 >>>>>>Childrey
Cornelius Cotter 18
Jeremiah Cotter 16

The daughter of the first marriage is still alive. I dont think the Johanna is the right Cotter.

Certainly the date seems about right. Perhaps the story I was told wasn't quite right! Cant have been that many Cotters living to that age in Plymouth. Is there a death for John W Cotter anywhere around 1950ish Could have been Dartmoor, Isle of Wight or London I guess.

1901
Name: Joanna Cotter
Age: 64
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Michael
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Wandsworth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Wandsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 119
Household Members: Name Age
Michael Cotter 63
Joanna Cotter 64



BUT really clutching at straws with this suggestion

Deaths Dec 1917 (>99%)
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Cotter Ruth 31 Plymouth 5b 323



How do you know the same man married in 1909 and 1918?

Could not find anyone over 100. This is the eldest for plymouth.

Deaths Sep 1923 (>99%)
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COTTER Johanna 90 Plymouth 5b 275

John Cotter became Petty officer in the navy.

Ginny
Doesnt register any bells. Is there an old lady cotter born in Ireland living in Plymouth anywhere. Guess without a christian name its hard to find.

Lima

can you see if that info rings any bells?

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No havent got the marriage certificate yet. Only just found he is a relation. He married my great aunt Annie Axworthy ne Swift in sept 1918 in Plymouth after her first husband Fred axworthy died.

Do these names ring any bells


1901 England Census
about John Cotter
Name: John Cotter
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Daniel
Mother's Name: Cora
Gender: Male
Where born: Plymouth, Devon, England

Civil parish: Plymouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Plymouth
Sub-registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 542
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel Cotter 43
Cora Cotter 40
John Cotter 17
James Cotter 15
Donis Cotter 9
Thomas Cotter 7
Frederick Cotter 5
Patrick Cotter 2
Elsie Cotter 1 month


And a poss birth


Name: John Cotter
Year of Registration: 1884
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Plymouth
County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 290 (click to see others on page)


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