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I seem to have lost a book full of info and can't search again as I no longer have access to Ancestry.
I mailed one of my hotmatches today and it looks like I have a wrong marriage in my tree.

I have an Elizabeth Ann Smith born 1844, married to a William Holgeth in Boston Lincs 1862, she had 2 children, Charles born 1867 and Anna born 1869, then she married a Robert Patterson in 1872 in Tynemouth and had 2 children, Elizabeth Jane born 1874 and John R born 1876.
I think I then found her on the 1881 cencus as being a widow and the 1901 census as being married to a Thomas Gibbon born 1836 in Durham.
They guy I mail has Thomas Gibbon married to a Catherine Fletcher, but I can't find anything else out.

If anyone can help I'd appreciate it greatly.

Thanks, Trace :o)

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1862 (>99%)
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Drury James Boston 7a 760
Holgeth William Boston 7a 760
Holgett William Boston 7a 760
Hubbert Jane Boston 7a 760
Smith Elizabeth Ann Boston 7a 760

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1872 (>99%)
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Christie William George Tynemouth 10b 350
Holgeth Elizabeth Ann Tynemouth 10b 350
Leadbitter Jane Tynemouth 10b 350
Patterson Robert Tynemouth 10b 350

Hi Michele, Thanks, I have those 2, I just can't find the Gibbon connection as I don't have ancestry and it's driving me daft

Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Eliz.A. PATTERSON Head W Female 37 Boston, Lincoln, England Dress Maker
Eliz.J. PATTERSON Daur Female 7 Earsdon, Northumberland, England Scholar
Jno.R. PATTERSON Son Male 5 E Holywell, Northumberland, England Scholar
Chas.W. HOLGETH Son Male 14 S Shields, Durham, England Driver In Colly
Ann P. HOLGETH Daur Female 12 Allotment, Northumberland, England Scholar
Rd. MC LEAN Boarder U Male 27 Scotland Drainer (Land Ser)

so this is the 1881 census

1891 for reference:
1891 England Census
Name: Elizabeth A Gibbon
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Boston, Lincolnshire, England
Civil parish: Hartley
Ecclesiastical parish: Earsdon
Town: Seaton Sluice
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address: 8 Long St

Occupation: Laundress

Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Earsdon
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Gibbon 54 - Old Sherburn, Durham
Elizabeth A Gibbon 46
Elizabeth J Patterson 17
John R Patterson 15

Deaths Dec 1909
GIBBON Thomas 72 Tynemouth 10b 160

Age is a bit out, but a possibility.

Deaths Sep 1913
Gibbon Elizabeth A 69 Tynemouth 10b 315

1911 - This lady is born in Boston.

BROWN ELIZABETH ANN F 1844 67 Tynemouth Northumberland


Marriages Jun 1885
Brown Thomas Tynemouth 10b 253 <<<<<<<<<<<<
Ferguson Emily Tynemouth 10b 253
Ferguson Emma Tynemouth 10b 253
PATTERSON Elizabeth Ann Tynemouth 10b 253 <<<<<<<
Storey Samuel William Tynemouth 10b 253

She may have never married Thomas Gibbon.


1901 England Census
Name: Elizabeth A Brown
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Boston, Lincolnshire, England
Civil parish: Hartley
Ecclesiastical parish: Delaval Our Lady
Town: Seaton Sluice
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address: Long St [interesting]

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Earsdon
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 95
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Brown 65 - Coal worker under ground; Old Sherburn [curioser & curioser!]
Elizabeth A Brown 57

Can't find any marriage for a Thomas Gibbon & a Catherine Fletcher.

Tracey
If l was you l would order m/c that ozibird found to see lf thats your lady. maybe thomas and elizabeth just lived together,lve looked for a marriage between thomas gibbon and catherine fletcher nothing is showing regards michelle

also on TTF

www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1189165



sylvia

You lot are fantastic.
My mother in Law put me onto the Gibbon lead a long while ago and then cancelled her Ancestry so I've not been able to check it up.

So many thanks to you all for your time and input xx

Following up on Ozbird's post:

1911
HOUSEHOLD BROWN ELIZABETH ANN F 1844 67 Head
HOUSEHOLD FREAKE WILLIAM M 1864 47 Son-in-law
HOUSEHOLD FREAKE ELIZABETH JANE F 1874 37 Daughter
HOUSEHOLD FREAKE JOHN ROBERT PATTERSON M 1899 12 Grandson
HOUSEHOLD FREAKE THOMAS WILLIAM M 1900 11
HOUSEHOLD FREAKE RICHARD M 1903 8
HOUSEHOLD FREAKE ETHEL HANNAH M 1904 7
HOUSEHOLD FREAKE CHARLES EDWARD M 1906 5 Grandson
HOUSEHOLD FREAKE HESTER F 1909 2 Granddaughter
[rg14pn30800 Registration Sub-District: Whitley Civil Parish, Township or Place: Seaton Delaval (part) RD 559 RS 4 ED 6]
[I can't guess the stated relationship for Thos, Richard nor Ethel]


Marriages Sep 1897 (>99%)
Banks James Herbert Tynemouth 10b 308
FREAKE William Tynemouth 10b 308
Jewett Elizabeth Ann Tynemouth 10b 308
PATTERSON Elizabeth Jane Tynemouth 10b 308

You obviously have the right person in the Brown line, as my great grandfather is William Freak ( spelling changed over the years ).

Do I take it that all the children belong to Elizabeth J and William?
I had Thomas ( my dads dad ) and john, but didn't know about other kids as my dad doesn't talk about this stuff, which is why it's so hard sometimes.

Thanks so much :o)

I've found births on FreeBmd of an Ethel Hannah Freake, Dec 1903..
A Richard Freake Jun 1902
A Charles Edward Freake Mar 1906
And an Esther Freake Sept 1908.
All tynemouth, so I'll have to try to see what my dad might know or be willing to tell me.
His dad ( Thomas William ) died in 1955 when my dad was just 11 years old so he's not very forthcoming with family history.

I would guess they're all grandchildren, but I don't actually know - they could be looking after some of Wm's nieces and nephews. It costs money to see the transcriprion, and even more to see the actual census images, and I'm just doing a free search.

So if I enter Freake, and the census ref rg14pn30800, I get those 8 Freakes.
So now I guess something that I can search for, like the occupation of miner, and add that - no hits. Course, Wm could still be a miner, and have his occup down as pitman or collier or coal hewer, etc., and I'ld get no hits.

Now another guess pob=Seaton - 6 hits (for all the kids). Next try expanding this to Seaton Delaval - no hits, so try Seaton Sluice - 6 hits, so we know pob for kids. BUT this does depend on making good guesses.

Shows what a novice I really am!!
The only place I can find this stuff is free bmd, and it took me a long time to work out how to use that lol.

Many thanks for your searches tho x

Yeah, well we were all novices at some time.

As you may know, there's two places to buy an m.cert - the GRO and the local RO that holds the rego. The GRO holds no originals, but the local has the original registrations of Bs and Ds, and rego office marrs and marrs the registrar attended (which pre-1898 was all non-conformist and RC marrs). If you apply to the local RO they might write out a copy or they might give you an image of the original rego, which will have the informant's signature. Not all local ROs issue scans - you'ld have to ask what you'ld get.

Anyway, some local ROs have their indices at least partially online - in NBL, just Newcastle and North Tyneside, I think. With redistricting, some of Tynemouth's regos went to Newcastle (e.g., those for Longbenton), and some went to Northumberland Central in Morpeth. If I get a hit on FreeBMD - e.g.:

Marriages Mar 1839 (>99%)
CATRON Thomas Tynemouth 25 319
CHAPMAN Ann Tynemouth 25 319
FOSTER Thomas Bolton Tynemouth 25 319
JORDAN Mary Ann Tynemouth 25 319
MUIR Catherine Tynemouth 25 319
PETRIE John Bruce Tynemouth 25 319
RUTLEDGE SArah Tynemouth 25 319
SMITH James Tynemouth 25 319

Clicking on the page # brings up everyone on the page - the view displayed above.
Clicking on "Tynemouth" then the more info "here" link shows all the villages, etc, in Tynemouth Rego D, and (at the bottom) shows where the regos are now

North Tyneside
The Register Office, Maritime Chambers, 1 Howard Street, North Shields, NE30 1LZ.
Tel: 0191 200 6164. Fax 0191 200 6382.
E-mail: [email protected]

Northumberland Central
The Register Office, 94 Newgate Street, Morpeth, NE61 1BU.
Tel: 01670 513232/517111. Fax: 01670 519260.
E-mail: [email protected]


The general gateway to local indices in NBL, DUR is:
http://www.northeastbmd.org.uk/
and for N Tyneside:
http://www.northtyneside.gov.uk/marriage-register.shtml

Here we can find the marrs in the example - we couldn't for Freake + Patterson, suggesting that rego is now in Morpeth.

SMITH, James
Marriage date: 1839
Father's Surname: SMITH
Register Book, Entry Number: CC1, 348
JORDAN, Mary A
Marriage date: 1839
Father's Surname: JORDAN
Register Book, Entry Number: CC1, 348

There is a parish record for this online - it's a pre-1837 style and doesn't list parents. Go to:
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start
and "Browse our record collection". We want the
Durham Bishops Transcripts - DUR - Tynemouth - image 478 of 696
(This image gives the entry # as 350, and there was only one parish in Tynemouth city at this time, namely Christ Church, so we now know what the N.Tyneside code CC is for.)

Note that here the local RO is indexing by entry #, not by page #, so there's no bother seeing who married whom. Some local RO's identify what church their code stands for in the hit - S.Tyneside has a key on their web site, so we can see that their register CF is for St Hilda's S.Shields, e.g. The local RO organizes their rego's differently from the GRO - they have a seperate rego for each church, and for B/Ds, a seperate rogo for each subdistrict. Although Newcastle looks up church's for you, they don't look up the sub-RDs, and leave it to you to guess that their codes STA=St. Andrew, STN=St. Nicholas, ALS=All Saints, etc. (The codes are on the pdf application form)