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I forgot to mention that Margaret was living on Hunter Street at the time of her marrige. I guess this relatively close to Upper Milk street and Johnson Streets from what I can see.

Hi Madmeg,
Yes The James for which i have the death certificate did indeed die at the Walton workhouse hospital, he was a bookkeeper of West Derby??
I have the marriage certificate for James L & Ellen M in the year 1858.
I know that they are my gg-grandparents because that is the names given as parents on my g-grandfather James's death certificate.
James Sr. was a carter on the Liverpool docks at the time of his marriage.
He & Ellen lived on Johnson Street at the time of their wedding and presumedly they moved to Upper Milk Street later in life which was only a few blocks away from what I can see on the map of Liverpool.
This James and Ellen were both born in Liverpool.
His older sisters & brothers along with their parents were born in Ireland.
The other James & Ellen born in Ireland are not related as far as I can tell,but you can never tell.
My g-grandfather James never mentioned life back in England only that he had a sister maybe two back there. I've been incontact witha person from england that has a ancestor by the name of Margaret that was born about 1862. Her fathers name was James Livingstone a carter on the Liverpool docks. So I've been trying to work off this info for siblings.Also I was told by my aunt that James Jr. had a hearing problem and that he was born abt/1859 so that is why i'm trying to get info of him at the Ears Nose & Throat hospital in Mount Pleasant.
I have a few reports from the West Derby hospital of aJames Livingstone a patient a number of times . His address was Palm Street Liverpool.
So maybe this is where my g-grandfather resided before coming here to Canada. Thanks ...Gary

Gary, did the James whose death cert you have die in a hospital/workhouse?

The marriage of James Livingstone and Ellen Molyneux was in Mar Qtr 1858 in Liverpool.

Gary, do you know what his occupation was at marriage?

In 1881 there is a James 50, labourer, wife Ellen 45, at Up Milk Street, no children. There is another James and Ellen both born Ireland, he is a Railway Pointsman. I found them on several censuses, no children.

No sign of a child James of the right age in 1861 or 1871 in Liverpool.

Just reading through again, and you suggested he was probably born at home and that might be a reason that his birth wasn't registered - but back then nearly all babies were born at home. He still might not have been registered though.

Hello all again, I sent for and received the death certificate for the James Livingstone I mentioned previously. But unfortunately it was another dead end. As this James died of what today would be called tuberculosis.
Not as I was hoping that he was just reported as presumed dead as he might of been my g-grandfather that had disappeared from Liverpool around this time. So I guess my so called star trek continues. Thanks

Gary, the only way anyone would know what that death certificate says is to buy it.

I would appreciate it if anyone out here could look up the death certificate i prementioned for a James Livingstone vol 8b pg 461 and let me know what it might say. Thanks ...Gary

The James Levingston birth Dec, 1858. 8b 80 was actually born on October 27th 1858, the son of John & Elizabeth Levingston/Livingstone
John was possibly my gg-grandfather James brother.
I have this James birth certificate cos I thought he might of been my g-grandfather James so I sent for it a few years back. but no!

maybe

Births Dec 1858 (>99%)
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Levingston James Liverpool 8b 80

On my g-grandfathers marriage certificate it states he was born in Liverpool 1859, Parents Molyneux & Ellen Livingstone. But thru research we found that the Molyneux name was Ellens maiden name and that his father was named James as well.
The earliest he appears on the Canadian census is 1901. By this time he is married. marriage 1892
On his death certificate it states number of years in town, province & country and it states 60 years to all three, which puts him arriving abt 1882.
This info I can confirm, but like I stated prior I need the Info on the James in the hospital on his next of kin.
I have a record of a James Livingstone b/abt 1859 that was a patient several times at the West Derby workhouse hospital. His address was Palm Street, Liverpool. So trying to see if their might be a connection with the 3 James' that was a patient at the Mount Pleasant hospital and my g-grandfather James and the W.D. - James.
The James Alexander Shields Livingstone is no relation that I can see. Thanks

There is this one

JAMES ALEXANDER SHIELDS LIVINGSTON Pedigree
Male

Birth:
Christening: 07 AUG 1859 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England


Parents:
Father: JAMES LIVINGSTON Family
Mother: MARGARET

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.

What information do you have from his Canadian marriage certificate please?

What is the earliest Canadian census record you have for him and what information doed that give?

It may be that the family had to claim poor relief to have him admitted to the hospital. I don't know if these records have survived but perhaps someone on here will know.

Hello everyone, Thanks for your replies. The James I'm trying to get info on was possibly born on December 18/1889 but his birth year might of been 1857?
I believe he might of been born at home and not registered. So that's why I figure I am unable to find a birth certificate for him.
And as far as his parents or siblings, I'm not sure of who they were.
That is why I need his home address of what might of been Palm Street, Liverpool ] and next of kin from the medical records. The parents could be James & Ellen Livingston[e] ? and a sister named Margaret?
The reason I'm saying this is that my g-grandfather James Livingstone came to Canada from Liverpool around 1882/83 working on a ship as a carpenter's apprentice and jumped ship here in Nova Scotia.. And these were his parent' names.
So I'm trying to tie my James with this James. in anyway with his life back in Liverpool. I found a death record of a James from Liverpool that died in 1883 [vol 8b pg 461 in West Derby ] but do not know if this James actually had died or disappeared and the family presumed he had died. So I'm feeling my way on this. Thanks again

Madmeg,

Think you have him .......well done !

Did not think of a misspell ...


Marilyn

Do you know his parents?

Or any siblings?

Is this one a possible?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about James Alexander Shields Livingston
Name: James Alexander Shields Livingston
Year of Registration: 1859
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Manchester (1837-1924)
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 251 (click to see others on page)

Gary,

The only James Livingstone born in Lancashire
are these two......
:- James Mc Naught Livingstone 1862 Derby
:- James Livingstone b 1864 Preston

On the IGI site it does say he's unmarried in 1881 census

Yes I have just looked on Ancestry and he follows 3 lads above him as unmarried down as DITTO .

it just says Labourer cant really see if he is single as the old blue pencil is blocking it,

I am still trying to find the home address and next of kin for a James Livingstone born abt.1859, that's listed as a patient on a 1881 census at the hospital located at 126 Mount Pleasant, Liverpool.
I've written to the university but didn't get very far with them on it.
Also the library ?? So i was wondering if someone might look at the census form for 1881 and give me the info that is written on it other than his residence being at the hospital at census time. I need this to confirm what I have so far on him. Thanks.