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Jan,
Happy Christmas to you all.

Regards Vera

Hi Brummie jan
Just seen you asking who the witnesses were.
They were T. Lennin (or Lemin?) and I. Elms (Isobel Elms, Mary Ellen Elms sister - Mary Ellen is John's 2nd wife)

Dont know who T Lennin is.

Hi Vera.
I think this is the one I'm looking for in 1911 that you found for me.

1911

John Thomas Head Married M 43 1868 Platers Helper North Shields Northumberland VIEW
YOUNG, Mary Jane Wife Married
17 years F 38 1873 Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland VIEW
YOUNG, Mary Jane Daughter Single F 16 1895 House Duties North Shields Northumberland VIEW
YOUNG, Alice Daughter Single F 14 1897 Servant North Shields Northumberland VIEW
YOUNG, William Son Single M 12 1899 School North Shields Northumberland VIEW
YOUNG, Victoria May Daughter Single F 9 1902 School North Shields Northumberland VIEW
YOUNG, Barbara Robson Daughter Single F 5 1906 School North Shields Northumberland VIEW
YOUNG, John Thomas Son Single M 1 1910 Home North Shields Northumberland VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
30742 Reference:
RG14PN30742 RG78PN1758 RD559 SD2 ED10 SN236

When John Thomas married in 1919, he was a widower and I;ve just been looking up deaths for a his possbile first wife Mary Jane and found a possible death for her.

Mary J Young Death Registration Month/Year: 1918 Age at death (estimated): 48 Registration district: Tynemouth Inferred County: Northumberland Volume: 10b Page: 349

Her age is out by 3 years, but its a possible.

Thanks again for all your help everyone.
I'm leaving it now and going to get some more Christmas stuff done!

Jan

Can I just ask who the witnesses were to the marriage?
Jan

Found this one in 1901

John Tom Young
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1887 year isn't right, but thought I would show this to you.
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: No Shields, Northamptonshire, England ....should read northumberland

Civil parish: Sunderland
Ecclesiastical parish: Hendon St Ignatius the Martyr
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: South Bishopwearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 27
Household Members: Name Age
James Young 48
Sarah Young 44
Lizzie Young 16
John Tom Young 14
Lily Young 10
Bella Young 8
Jane Prior 22
Peter Anderson 50


Regards Vera

1911

John Thomas Head Married M 43 1868 Platers Helper North Shields Northumberland VIEW
YOUNG, Mary Jane Wife Married
17 years F 38 1873 Newcastle on Tyne Northumberland VIEW
YOUNG, Mary Jane Daughter Single F 16 1895 House Duties North Shields Northumberland VIEW
YOUNG, Alice Daughter Single F 14 1897 Servant North Shields Northumberland VIEW
YOUNG, William Son Single M 12 1899 School North Shields Northumberland VIEW
YOUNG, Victoria May Daughter Single F 9 1902 School North Shields Northumberland VIEW
YOUNG, Barbara Robson Daughter Single F 5 1906 School North Shields Northumberland VIEW
YOUNG, John Thomas Son Single M 1 1910 Home North Shields Northumberland VIEW

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Regards Vera

1911
YOUNG, John Head Married M 42 1869 Rivetter Pilot Durham South Shields VIEW
YOUNG, Octavia M Wife Married
2 years F 30 1881 Durham South Shields VIEW
YOUNG, Kate H Daughter Single F 17 1894 Durham South Shields VIEW

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Regards Vera

Hi Vivienne,
No, I'm not 100% sure about it!! :-) But John's dob fits right in the 1881 census. Just wondering if anyone who has access to 1911 census could see if there is a John Thomas Young born in Stockton in 1870 possibly living in North Shields area? Then we could see if it is the right one in the 1881 census. Oh and something I forgot to mention earlier, he was sometimes known as Jack.

Thanks.

Hi Glitter baby,
Dont know if the family were Scottish or not. I've been trying to find James death too, but so far not found him.

Jan

Are you sure Jan?

1881

YOUNG, Sarah Head Widow F 38 1843
Newcastle on Tyne
Northumberland
YOUNG, John Son Single M 11 1870 Scholar
Stockton on Tees
YOUNG, Jane Daughter Single F 8 1873 Scholar
Stockton on Tees
YOUNG, James Son Single M 7 1874
Stockton on Tees

Thanks to Vivienne, Brummiejan and Vera for all your lookups.
I think that Brummiejan has found them in the 1871 and 1881 census - it looks as if John was born in Stockton.

Thanks everyone for your help.

And again, Merry Christmas to you all.

Jan

Not found a death for James Stewart Young.

Just wondering if the family were Scottish !!

Not able to see transcript, but this John is an engineer - age a bit out though:

YOUNG JOHN M 1875 36 Sunderland Durham

This is the same family as above in 1881:

The 1881 Census
1881 England Census

Name: James Young
Age: 46
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Birtley, Durham, England

Civil parish: Stockton
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address: 29 Maritime St

Occupation: Boilersmith Maker

Registration district: Stockton
Sub-registration district: Stockton

Name Age
James Young 46
Sarah Young 32
Louisa Young 3
Sam. Young 7

Jan

I suppose he could have gone from being a Stone mason to an engineer between 1911 and 1918 Vera.
The war did change many peoples occupations.

Jan,
I don't think the one I found is the right one.....this ones father was a mason.


Regards Vera

Thanks very much everyone. I really don't know where he was born, and at the moment, I'm scanning the 1901 census to see if I can see him. I'll get back to you all soon.

Thanks.

Jan

Boiler smith it is on 1871 Jan.

Is this him?

1911
YOUNG, John Thomas Head Married M 39 1872 Stone Mason Stannington Northd VIEW
YOUNG, Tamar Wife Married
14 years F 40 1871 Snabduff North Tyne VIEW
YOUNG, John Errington Son M 9 1902 School Seaton Village North Tyne VIEW
YOUNG, Robert Ambrose Son M 1 1910 Harbord Terr Seaton Delaval VIEW

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Regards vera

Might help if we can confirm his birthplace beforehand - this might be him. Father James is a boiler smith I think - please check Vivienne!!

1871 England Census

Name: John T Young
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Stockton, Durham, England
Civil parish: St James
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Stockton
Sub-registration district: Stockton

James Young 29
Sarah Young 26
John T Young 1

Jan