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And have you not yet bought the marriage cert?

Thank you "Freewheel" for the 1891 census information, I was going by 1881 census which said Horsham, sorry. And yes I have used this board before, October 2008, trying to find some answers.

Amanda

From Horsham parish records (I have the disc)

Arthur born Horsham was baptised on 26/08/1874, son of William a dentist and Jessie Mary, he had a brother Cuthbert who was baptised on 05/09/1873.

This sounds like the Arthur that Aveyronnaise found in a 1911 census

Wendy

This is beginning to look awfully familiar - have you posted other threads about this lot?

Thank you again, will re check my facts with my mum.

Amanda.

How about these in 1911?

READ ARTHUR M 1875 36 Walsingham Norfolk
READ ARTHUR M 1898 13 Walsingham Norfolk
READ ELLEN F 1877 34 Walsingham Norfolk
READ JACK M 1910 1 Walsingham Norfolk
READ ROSA F 1903 8 Walsingham Norfolk

Right -1891 census
NOTE: Arthur was born in HERSHAM - not Horsham - vast difference!

Name: Arthur Read
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Caroline
Gender: Male
Where born: Hersham, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Wroxham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: St Faith
Sub-registration district: Sprowston
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Read 46
Caroline Read 38
Arthur Read 16 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Butcher
Herbert Read 14
Ada Read 12
Lilian Read 11
Harvey Read 9
Tom Read 71

John C Read who is on the CWGC site was not married - his wife's name would have been recorded if he had been

You need the marriage cert, to get some firm facts

Marriages Dec 1937 (99%)
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Lake Marjorie Read Medway 2a 2180
Read John C Lake Medway 2a 2180


And you need to find Arthur with his parents - again for firm factual info

Thanks Freewheel, Its a bit complicated but here goes!

Arthur Read was the son of Charles and Caroline Read, Arthurs brother Herbert was my great grandfather

John Charles Read married Majorie Lake, who happened to be my grandmothers half sister.

Their story fascinated me because of this.

I agree the Dentist connection isnt right, but it bugs me that I cannot find anymore info.

How is John related to you?

He certainly doesn't appear to be the son of Arthur the Dentist.............

What caused you to latch on to him?

Trying to work things through with you.......................

1901 census for Arthur

Name: Arthur Read
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Horsham, Sussex, England

Civil parish: St Giles Without Cripplegate
Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles Cripplegate
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: London City
Sub-registration district: St Botolph
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 35
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick Wallace Wilson 34
Eilonery Wilson 27
Arthur Read 26
Lilly Wotton 23
Cottie Wooman 22
Eva Halley 19
Rose Andrews 20
Clara Pigram 45
Frank Chapman 23
Jessie Bryan 19
Jessie Alma Marion Folhard 18
Norman Collard Searby 15
Percy Edward Gross 16
Basil James Gross 18
Annis Emmeline Bromage 21
Charlotte Ann Harston 33
Walter Salmon 35
William Mark Hopkins 26
Frederick Thomas Machin 15
Ernest Aram 14
Margaret Reid 57

Thanks Freewheel, that is the one I found. I have no idea where John was born, so its a bit of a mystery! John was definately my mums uncle, guess I'll just give up on that side of the family.

Thanks for everyones help, guess Ive come to a dead end.

Amanda

Amanda

How have you arrived at the names you are looking for?

Have you worked backwards from yourself?

Arthur's entry from 1911:

READ, Arthur Head Married M 36 1875 Dental Surgeon Sussex Horsham VIEW
READ, Ellen Wife Married
5 years F 34 1877 Sussex Lindfield VIEW
READ, Arthur Henderson Son M 2 1909 London Holborn VIEW
KINSEY, Daisy Clara Mothers Help Single F 25 1886 Mothers Help Nurse Domestic Italy Resident VIEW
COLLISS, Clara Servant Single F 25 1886 Cook Domestic London Bow VIEW
YOUNG, Edith Marie Servant Single F 22 1889 Housemaid Domestic Essex Chelmsford VIEW

Just looked at original image. All four girls are listed as "daughter" and couple have been married 13 years.

Is this the CWGC record you refer to?

READ, JOHN CHARLES
Initials: J C
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Petty Officer
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy
Unit Text: H.M.S. Avenger
Age: 35
Date of Death: 15/11/1942
Service No: C/J 112446
Additional information: Son of A. and E. M. Read, of Hoveton St. Peter, Norfolk.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: 52, 1.
Memorial: CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL


If so........................which birth is his?

Births Dec 1906 (>99%)
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Read John Charles Newport, M. 11a 272

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Births Jun 1907 (>99%)
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READ John Charles Merthyr T. 11a 786

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Births Dec 1907 (>99%)
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READ John Charles Derby 7b 581

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EDIT: Not the one born in Merthyr - found him in 1911

As I explained on my posting, you don't actually need the advanced search to find a household........try the method I outlined.

This is the only Arthur born Horsham - so you've got a reference to work from

READ ARTHUR M 1875 36 St Giles London

Two other people in the household

Wow, thanks everyone for your help, that was so quick. I have an awful feeling that Myrtle may not be the daughter of Arthur (got my original information from another tree, knew I should have checked myself)!

Arthur Read is a definate relative. According to an earlier census he was born in 1874/75 in Horsham, Surrey. Being such a common name it was hard to find a marriage, but am sure her name began with E. Just checked and his son was John born around 1907-1910, he died in 1942 and on the CGWC site mother listed as "E" Read.

Could somebody be as kind to take a look for me as the advanced search is not helping.
Thank you
Amanda

READ CHARLES EDWARD M 1876 35 Yarmouth Norfolk
READ EVELINE LOUISA F 1900 11 Yarmouth Norfolk
READ GLADYS SARAH F 1899 12 Yarmouth Norfolk
READ MURIEL MARGUERITE F 1910 1 Yarmouth Norfolk
READ SARAH F 1875 36 Yarmouth Norfolk

All of the above are living with Myrtle Dorothy READ. Without paying to view it is not possible to know whether she is a daughter or perhaps neice

Pete

Address:
48 Winifred Road Great Yarmouth

READ, Charles Edward Head Married M 35 1876 Carter Gt Yarmouth
READ, Sarah Wife Married
13 years F 36 1875 Gt Yarmouth Norfolk
READ, Gladys Sarah Daughter F 12 1899 School Gt Yarmouth Norfolk
READ, Eveline Louisa Daughter F 11 1900 School Gt Yarmouth Norfolk
READ, Myrtle Dorothy Daughter F 6 1905 Gt Yarmouth Norfolk
READ, Muriel Marguerite Daughter F 1 1910 Gt Yarmouth Norfolk
ABBOTT, Percy Lodger Single M 19 1892 Page Parkeston Essex
NEAR, Frederick Walter Lodger Single M 17 1894 Page Stratford London


Father not Arthur there.