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mgnv

Of course. How dim am I being! Not thinking laterally.

Thanks so much for finding John Campbell, and all his siblings - and for the background info on the military cemetery.

All very exciting and will be much appreciated by Canadian cousin, too!

Liz

Nell/Nellie are standard familiar forms for Helen.

http://www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?action=search2&search_name=helen

Hi mgnv,

I can't thank you enough for finding these census returns and for the military record of John George Campbell.

At first, I must say, I was doubtful that this was the John Campbell I am seeking, but as you say the DOB matches the census, and I do believe this is the correct family because of the parents' names and the siblings' details, as you also kindly found birth records for some of them.

I was interested to see that 'John' on 1891 census is presumably 'George' on the 1901 - another clue that the military record is for the same guy.

But other mismatches with the info I was given are his wife's name - I was led to believe it was Nellie (nee Kirby), but do realise that this could have been a nickname. I don't have any other details for her.

I guess if John died in Toronto he could have been fighting in France and brought back to Canada before the war ended, but the family story might well be inaccurate, as they often are. I've only been given sketchy details of a handed-down story.

I've nearly finished adding this lot to my tree, and will pass all this info on to my Canadian cousin as those other names might jog his memory.

Once again, thanks so much for your help.

Liz

1901 Census of Canada Page Information
District: ON WATERLOO (South/Sud) (#122)
Subdistrict: Hespeler (Village) D-2 Page 7
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z003/z000111845.pdf
[looks like their sched 2 was on p 5, but only 4 pages present]


1891
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1891/pdf/30953_148152-00088.pdf
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1891/pdf/30953_148152-00089.pdf

This guy seems to fit with your initial post:

Name:CAMPBELL, JOHN GEORGE
Regimental number(s):678718
Reference:RG 150, Accession 1992-93/166, Box 1444 - 27
Date of Birth:13/01/1883
[occup=Linesman, pob=Peterboro, Ont]


Name: CAMPBELL, JOHN G.
Initials: J G
Nationality: Canadian
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Canadian Infantry
Unit Text: 169th Bn.
Age: 34
Date of Death: 11/03/1917
Service No: 678718
Additional information: Husband of Mary Helen Campbell, of 552, Gladstone Avenue, Toronto, Ont.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. 17. 4089.
Cemetery: TORONTO (PROSPECT) CEMETERY

During the First World War, Toronto was the headquarters of Military District No 2 and the city contained 15 military hospitals with almost 3,500 beds. During the Second World War, No 2 Vocational Training School was posted to Toronto and the Royal Norwegian Air Force had a training camp there. Toronto (Prospect) Cemetery contains 389 Commonwealth burials of the First World War, many of them in the veterans plot in Section 7, where there is also a Cross of Sacrifice dedicated to all war casualties buried in the cemetery. Of the 248 Second World War burials, some are in the naval and military plot in Section 1, the rest are scattered.

Margaret and MGNV,

Thank you both so much for doing this research for me with such enthusiasm.

You've given me plenty of leads to follow up (I will suggest to my cousin that he checks out all the John Campbells on CollectionsCanada himself!).

Sorry I have taken so long to reply to your last post.

Thanks again

Liz

Name:CAMPBELL, LEWIS GLADSTONE
Regimental number(s):678549
Reference:RG 150, Accession 1992-93/166, Box 1448 - 3
Date of Birth:06/06/1897


Ada/Grace(1894/1893?)
1911 Census of Canada
Home / 1911 / Ontario / Nipissing / 39 Coleman / page 5 split view
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e002004264.pdf
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e002004265.pdf
[two copies - look the same to me]

John a=58/Jane a=55/Lewis a=13/Bertha(a=21 b 1889?)(Camble)
1911 Census of Canada
Home / 1911 / Ontario / Peterborough West / 21 Peterborough / page 30
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e002015764.pdf
[306 Aylmer]

You're right, Liz, too many John Campbells!
The same Collectionscanada site has all of the censuses too but I'm having difficulty finding them there.
The marriages that I posted were from this site:

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~onvsr/index.htm

Couldn't resist one more reply - I was typing the last one while your last postings arrived.

You don't need to apologise for adding more info!!

Didn't know about Ada, so that's interesting and helpful.

Also very interesting is that surname Bellamy (Ada's mother-in-law) ... My cousin's 'adopted' grandfather married John Campbell's sister Jenny, and their son-in-law was a Bellamy. But maybe that's a coincidence, and way too confusing to go into here ... !


Liz

Oh Margaret, thank you so much for this helpful info.

I too thought Jane Amelia was rather young to be marrying, but that's what my Canadian cousin believed to be correct!

It's great to have the correct dates.

I'm also puzzled as to why my cousin has more details for John and Jane, than for their son John. If only John Jnr. had a middle name! I've been trawling through the Collections Canada database but of course there are lots of John Campbells. Am going to try searching for his brother Lewis as that's a less common name.

Have to pop out for a couple of hours now, so will check this thread again later.

Thank you for your help,

Liz

A sister Ada?

17281-09 - Edmund J. STURGEON, 22, of Arnprior, Baker, s/o John STURGEON & Lydia BELLAMY, married Ada H. CAMPBELL, 23, Peterborough, d/o John CAMPBELL & Jane BILLINGS, wtn: John CAMPBELL of Toronto & Bertha CAMPBELL of Peterborough, on Sept 8, 1909, at Peterborough

Sorry, I don't know when to stop!

Brother Fred's marriage:

004049/23 Frederick Charles Gordon CAMPBELL, 30, mechanic, Ontario, Toronto, s/o John Colin CAMPBELL & Jane BILLINGS, married Elsie Helen SALT, 27, Toronto, Toronto, d/o Major SALT & Elizabeth WOLPIN (Halpin?), witn: Marjorie Jane SALT of 96 West Lodge Ave. Toronto & L.G. CAMPBELL of 2 Northumberland St. Toronto, 21 July 1923

I was concerned about the birth year of Jane Amelia. She seemed awfully young. According to this she was 20 at marriage so born 1853 and he was born 1851,

008633-74 (Peterborough Co) John CAMPBELL, 22, labourer, Canada, Peterborough, s/o John V. CAMPBELL married Jane BILLINGS, 20, England, Peterborough, d/o blank BILLINGS, witness – Edward CLARK, August 14, 1873, Peterborough

Jean, Margaret,

Thanks for these excellent links.

I'm searching the sites already!

Liz

Also Canadian Virtual War Memorial here for those who died in war:

http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm?source=collections/virtualmem

Attestation papers can be found here:

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/index-e.html

You can order complete war record from same site.

Liz,

Have a look on Canadiancollections for his attestation papers, i have found what I think is my relatives information although he was born in Scotland but served with Canadian forces.

jean

Hello there,

Is anyone able and willing to look up Canadian WW1 service records, please?

I'm searching on behalf of a distant cousin in Ontario, whose paternal grandfather, John Campbell, died from wounds he received in 1914-1918 war.

John Campbell was born in Ontario, Canada, about 1880 to parents John Colin Campbell (b. 1850) and Jane Amelia Billings (b. 1863). They were married in Peterborough, Ontario abt. 1877.

John Jnr. had sister Jennie, b. 1878, and brothers Fred and Lewis (no birth dates for them, but believed to have died in Canada c. 1955).

John Jnr. married Nellie Kirby in Canada abt. 1900. They had at least 3 children, including Fred Kirby Campbell in Dec. 1915.

John Jnr. and his brothers Lewis and Fred joined the Canadian Army. John went to fight in France, where he was wounded, but returned to Canada where he died - we believe it was after the war had ended, but sadly have no dates.

I've tried searching Ancestry for military records, but find it all very complicated - I beleive having some local knowledge would help.

Many thanks to anyone who is interested in, and able to, follow this up for me.

Liz