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thanks gordon for all that info, much appreciated. marjories mum was isabel may house b1886 about and now my task is to find out who at least her mum or dad was. isabel left her daughter with grandparents as she married in 1909 and had her before she married. wasnt the done thing then i guess!
thanks again the quest continues.

Just a note: the "M"s and "F"s in the 1911 census are for male and female - not middle initials. In the actual census results at the 1911 site this is clear because things are in columns, but in the copied text here it all runs together.

When I copy 1911 info here I always delete them, precisely because they cause this confusion!

Christina,

Don't know if this is of any use but the 1911 census for the Margery I think you've been discussing has the following info:

Head of household is Alfred House aged 78. Retired pensioner and born in Latchmore Brokenhurst? Please forgive if that location doesn't make any sense, I'm only relaying what I can read.

Jane House is Alfred's wife and aged 82. Her birthplace is given as Somerset. The record is more specific about where in Somerset, but I cannot make it out. Alfred House filled in the census form and has his own style of handwriting and spelling.

I think the above may explain why electronic transcriptions of this census record have so many 'M's as middle initials. Alfred's 'H' is an M' with a big horizontal slash to make it a 'H'.

Other members include Edwin William House (son, born in Southampton) aged 52 and single. Edwin is recorded by his dad as being a domestic Gardener.

Also is Frank House (son, born Lyndhurst), aged 48 and single and recorded as (I think) 'awaiting army pension', and 'general labourer'.

Finally Margery, aged 6 (Granddaughter, born in Latchmore, Brokenhurst).

In filling out Frank's occupation details, Alfred appears to have strayed over the lines and onto Margery's details. He took time to correct this with a big thick line separating Frank's details from Margery's.

Alfred signed the census form and gave the address as Hope Cottage, Latchmore, Brokenhurst. The 'cottage' had 4 dwelling rooms and 4 bedrooms.

Maybe of interest.

Kind regards, Gordon.

sorry freewheel got a bit mixed up, i meant i wonder who isabelas mother was. i do actually know the name of marjories dad but it was never registered and as there are living relatives, have to be a bit careful with some names. well might have to order birth cert for isabela as i looked but havent found any new info yet.
this hobby of mine is taking over every spare minute.but finding out all this family history is so interesting, so i cant stop now.
just in from work, better go off and do my own housework or will be here all afternoon.

No, Christina..................

Margery was illegitmate - I certainly hope her mother's brother didn't father her!!

That would be a problem!!

oh freewheel you are brilliant, sorry my last message crossed over with yours.
somarjories dad was either edwin or frank?
i always amazed how some of you just always come up with the answers. i have been doing this now for nearly 6 months but still have a lot of tricks to learn.
i know the names of the cooper children but havent looked that far yet thats more current.
anyway still more work to do. thanks again freewheel and everyone else.

Christina

Please look at the marriage info I posted for you - which, incidentally, you could have found yourself on freebmd.

The mother's husband obviously didn't want her illegitimate daughter living with them......

I also posted 1901 census - or did you miss that?

All the info is on here..................

gt aunt alice mary was 23 in 1901 so dont think so birdsinanest.i wonder who marjorie potter is, not mine i dont think. grandmother was born 21 dec 1904 and would have been 6/7 on the 1911 census.
i am a bit confused now. was the edwin and frank males her uncles? and if so where was her mother who i think was born around 1886 as i heard in the family she was about 18 when marjorie was born.
i knew this tree wouldnt be straightforward and so far its proving right but will plod on. thanks to all who have helped so far.
maybe the birth cert will sort it out afterall. thnks christina

I'd have won the bet!!!!

Marriages Mar 1909 (>99%)
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HOUSE Isabel May Lymington 2b 971
COOPER William Lymington 2b 971


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thanks freewheel, that looks like grandmother just dont know who the other people are.maybe jane was her grandmother. i know she was born out of wedlock and her mother whatever her name was went on to marry a mr. cooper, who died and remarried a mr towler. there were children from both marriages. i dont have any marriage details to confirm unfortunately.

I'm willing to bet that Isabella is Margery's mother............any takers?

Alfred & Jane +2 in 1901

Name: Alfred House
Age: 68
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Brockenhurst, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Brockenhurst
Ecclesiastical parish: Brockenhurst
Town: Brockenhurst
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Lymington
Sub-registration district: Lymington
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 72
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred House 68
Jane House 72
Edwin W House 42
Isabela M House 14
Margorie A Potter 2

Frank in 1901

Name: Frank House
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Gender: Male
Where born: Lyndhurst, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Portsmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Portsmouth
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: Portsmouth
Sub-registration district: Portsmouth and Mid Southsea
ED, institution, or vessel: First Royal Rifle Reserve Regiment and Fourth Oxfordshire Light Infantry Battalions

Name: Margery Frances M House
Year of Registration: 1905
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Lymington
County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 634


birth cert will tell you her parents

BIRTH

Births Mar 1905 (>99%)
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House Margery Frances M Lymington 2b 634


1911
HOUSE ALFRED M 1833 78 Lymington Hampshire
HOUSE EDWIN WILLIAM M 1859 52 Lymington Hampshire
HOUSE FRANK M 1863 48 Lymington Hampshire
HOUSE JANE F 1829 82 Lymington Hampshire
HOUSE MARGERY F 1905 6 Lymington Hampshire

i have made a slight error, alice mary was my grandmothers aunt not her sister.sorry for the glitch.
im not sure about it birds ina nest but will study it carefully. thanks anyway

I don't have a sub for 1911 but I wonder if this is the family in 1901.
Could Alice have been known as Mary, this family is in Lymington;

Name: Mary House
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Emma
Gender: Female
Where born: Lymington, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Rhinefield
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address: Latchmoor
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Lymington
Sub-registration district: Lymington
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William House 47
Emma House 43
Charles House 19
George House 14
Edward House 12
Jane Emma House 8
Rose House 5
Ellen House 5
Mary House 3
Frederick House

Birdi

can some kind person do a look up please for my late grandmother. she was b 21dec 1904 in lymington, hants.
she had an older sister calles alice mary house b1878.
i am trying to find out their parents names and if there were any other siblings. i have tried in vain but without success. no one in my family can remember their granparents at all! i think alice was away at 13yrs to work in a hotel and thats all i know.
so any help would be great. thanks christina sorry she was called marjorie frances minty house