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Hi Dorothy,

Is this the family, Robert and Charlotte, that you talk about?

1851 England Census
about Robert Warman
Name: Robert Warman
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1809
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Charlotte
Gender: Male
Where born: Ingrave, Essex, England

Civil parish: Ingrave
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Billericay
Sub-registration district: Brentwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 79
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Warman 42
Charlotte Warman 43
George Warman 13
Elizabeth Warman 10
Thomas Warman 5
Samuel Warman 2


If it is surely they are too young to have a son born 1823?


Dee x

If everything but the father's 1st name matches I strongly suspect this is the right marriage. The groom's age is even correct.
You won't get professions of the witnesses - asked for their names!!

Jan

i have Williams baptisum papers and his parents are Robert and Charlotte Warman.
Robert died 1890 and Charlotte 1887 both in Essex.
on the marrige certificate for william its down as father William Warman a grocer.
cant make out Williams profession but he was 46 at the age of the marriage and Emily was 36.
no profession for the witnesses .
thanks for any help you have given me will have to keep looking

Hi Dorothy,

May I ask how you know his father was Robert.


Dee x

Was the wife Emily though? I wouldn't dismiss it just yet. Do you have occupation for father and William, and witnesses?
Jan

just to bring you up to date on the marriage for William Warman, i sent for the certificate for William and Emily January 28th 1869.
which arrived this morning but it wasnt my William , fathers name also William but it should have been Robert Warman so back to square one.
but thanks for your help

thank you all so much for the info, will now send for the marriage certificate.
so greatful also for Emilys maiden name opens up another branch to my tree.
i only found out about William the end of last year, when i got a lady at the Guernsey records to look up a marriage for his parents Robert and Charlotte .
no marriage could be found but she did find another child William.
i new about the other 4 children George, Elizabeth, Thomas and Samuel but had no ide about William.
such a buzz, cant tell you how much i enjoy doing my mus side of the tree

Emily maybe?

Marriages Mar 1869
Blowers George Mutford 4a 921
Smith Emily Waters Mutford 4a 921
WHITE Susan Mutford 4a 921

Jan

This might be it - no other name on entry:

Marriages Mar 1869 (>99%)
WARMAN William Mutford 4a 924

EDIT snap!!

Same year and month reg;




Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1869 (>99%)
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WARMAN William Mutford 4a 924






By himself.......... so I think this must be it!!



Dee x

There's a gent missing from this registration;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1869 (>99%)
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Blowers George Mutford 4a 921
Smith Emily Waters Mutford 4a 921
WHITE Susan Mutford 4a 921





Dee x

1861 England Census
about Emily Smith
Name: Emily Smith
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Julia
Gender: Female
Where born: Southbun, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Kirkley
Town: Kirkley
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: UNMARRIED

Registration district: Mutford
Sub-registration district: Kessingland
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 277
Household Members: Name Age
Julia Smith 65
Emily Smith 29
Emily Barker 4
Mary M Nicholls 23



Dee x

If it is them, no suffolk marriage as far as I can see, just one possibility in Norfolk:

Marriages Dec 1874
Havers Thomas Foster Norwich 4b 421
Newton Catherine Elizabeth Norwich 4b 421 S
Pull Emily Norwich 4b 421
WARMAN William Norwich 4b 421

Unmarried;

1861 England Census
about William Warman
Name: William Warman
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Lakenham, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Kirkley
Town: Kirkley
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Mutford
Sub-registration district: Kessingland
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
Abraham Scales 79
William Warman 38
Naomi Youell 32
Charity Catchpole 19


Dee x

And is 1871;

1871 England Census
about William Warman
Name: William Warman
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Emily
Gender: Male
Where born: Lakenham, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Kirkley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Lowestoft
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Mutford
Sub-registration district: Kessingland
ED, institution, or vessel: 7a
Household schedule number: 379
Household Members: Name Age
William Warman 48
Emily Warman 38
Julia Smith 76 >>>>>>>>>>> Mother in law
Hannah Free 52



Dee x

Doing a quick bit of maths, is that around 1869? No marriage in that year as you say, but quite a few otherwise. Do you have them in any census reports? They might be mistaken, never married or married some time after they got together.
Have you a location?
Jan

Hi Dorothy,

So is this the family in 1901?

1901 England Census
about William Warman
Name: William Warman
Age: 78
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Emily
Gender: Male
Where born: Lakenham, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Kirkley
Ecclesiastical parish: Kirkley St Peter
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Mutford
Sub-registration district: Kessingland
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 93
Household Members: Name Age
William Warman 78
Emily Warman 68
Edith Warman 19


Dee x

can any one help with a marriage date for a William Warman born 1827 .
ive found him on the 1911 census age 83 married to a Emily age 77 for 42 years.
but cant seem to find them in the marriage records.
thanks