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Hello All

If only we knew where William was born,my guess is the Lewisham information is near the mark.
Where do I find the 1911 census please.

I shall take a look a the site you have suggested
many thanks for your help
Kind regards
Poppie

From this source

http://www.roll-of-honour.com/cgi-bin/boerwardetail.cgi

The above site is copyrighted so have a look for yourself.

A couple of possibilities??

There are 2 William Rose details on there.

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Hello All

I wonder if William could have died in the Second Boar War this was 1898- 1900 I think.

William's parents were still alive in 1911

Maybe if you find where they are buried you may find William? Or you could trace forward from some of his siblings to see if there is any word of mouth info. on William's death?

HOUSEHOLD ROSE MARY ANN F 1844 67 Lewisham London
HOUSEHOLD ROSE ADELAIDE F 1906 5 Lewisham London
HOUSEHOLD ROSE EDWARD M 1834 77 Lewisham London

Same family in 1871 - may narrow timescale for possible birth for William

Name: William Rose
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edward
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Westr, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St John The Evangelist
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub-registration district: St John Westminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household schedule number: 187
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Rose 37 Journeyman Carpenter, b. Hamp, Rumsey
Mary Ann Rose 27 b. Kent, b. Kent, Depford
George E Rose 7
Hannah Rose 6
Edward A Rose 4
William Rose 1

All children born Westminster.

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 121; Folio: 21; Page: 36; GSU roll: 838769.


1861

Name: Edward Rose
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relation: Soldier
Gender: Male
Where born: Romsey, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Farnborough
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: Soldier

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Farnborough
Sub-registration district: Farnborough
ED, institution, or vessel: Foot Guards Detachment, North Camp Aldershot

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 435; Folio: 8; Page: 11; GSU roll: 542637.

1851
Name: Edward Rose
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Romsey, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Romsey Extra
Ecclesiastical parish: Winchester
Town: Cupernham
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Romsey
Sub-registration district: Romsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 38
Household Members: Name Age
William Rose 42 Ag. Lab.
Eliza Rose 40
Lucy Rose 31
Edward Rose 19
Tom Rose 15
Alfred Rose 11
William Rose 8
Henry Rose 3

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1671; Folio: 114; Page: 10; GSU roll: 193579.

Edward is a carpenter:

1881 England Census

Name: William Rose
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edward
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Westm, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St John The Evangelist
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 6 Cambridge Buildings

Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub-registration district: St John Westminster

Edward Rose 47
Mary Ann Rose 37
William Rose 11
Joseph Rose 9
Albert T. Rose 7
Alice M. Rose 1

Thank you all, you have been busy

I have just checked the age for William on the banns it looks as though he was 28 not 23 when he married this would make him 10 years older than Ada and his birth year about 1870
William was a carpenter as was his Dad, I think he may had died abroad in a conflict that could be the only answer as to way he can't be located
I know about Ada as she is Ma-in-laws great Gran Its William that is causing the problem.


Hope this new info may help Thank you all again
kind regards Poppie

Just in passing, looks like Ada re-married, unsurprisingly:

Marriages Sep 1901 (>99%)
Faulkner Elizabeth Southwark 1d 279
Goater Henry William Southwark 1d 279
Lewis Henry Southwark 1d 279
Rose Ada Mary L Southwark 1d 279

Trawling the 1881 census - there are a couple of Williams living with grandparents, one as nephew, one as son of an Edward, Engineer and one the son of aa Edward, general dealer but no Edwards that are Carpenters!!

Well, we have both come up with something vaguely military! Maybe an idea to think if he was killed serving abroad?
Would really like his occupation from the marriage cert though.
Jan

Not very helpful! May be a possible?



Name: William Rose
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation: Boy; Inmate (Boy)
Gender: Male
Where born: Fulham, London, England

Civil parish: Vessels
Town: River Thames Off Purfleet
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Orsett
Sub-registration district: Grays
ED, institution, or vessel: Training Ship Torewall

Sorry Jan, I think that it is me misleading you!! I read that at first that they had a son called Edward - must still be half asleep or was up too early!!!

Do you have the son's birth? I don't see one in Camberwell?

I thought Edward is William's father and a carpenter? Not sure what I'm seeing now though!
Come back Poppie!
Jan

Sorry, I was reading it wrong! So William is the carpenter not son Edward? I am not seeing young Edward on the 1901 census, are you Jan?

Do you have William's occupation? There is a very strangely organised Ancestry entry which seems to be a military one. This William Rose is a private. Though Edward has matched as father this is not relevant to the entry.:

Name: William Spratt
[William Rose]
Father: Edward
Birth: abt 1874 - Waterloo, London, England
Residence: 1891 - Kingston, Kingston On Thames, Surrey, England

Jan

This must be Ada, widowed:

1901 England Census

Name: Ada M L Rose
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Camberwell

Civil parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark Camberwell
County/Island: London

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: St George

Name Age
Ada M L Rose 22
Albert E Smith 26
Henry Lewis 23

Rootgatherer - Poppie has put his father's details above.
Jan

Have you looked on Freebmd for his death?

I am not seeing any around the correct age and area. Are you sure he died then? What was hisoccupation on the marriage certificate and what was his father's name and occupation please?