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Jean

Jean Report 7 Mar 2010 21:28

sorry for not answering sooner family dinner and responsibilities to see too. Roberts parents were Henry Cross and Elizabeth Gardner also known and Betty I have roberts birth certificate, I do have Henry's parents as William and Mary but i did not know Mary's maiden name

Mary

Mary Report 7 Mar 2010 18:34

Alice on the 1871 census says she is in Suffolk but thats their mistake.

It is definately the same family in the trees on Ancestry.

They have relations on Roberts family born in macclesfield also gone to Stoke on trent in 1861.

Roberts parents Henry 1811 Poulton died Stoke 1875
Elizabeth Stanton 1815
henry's parents William 1770-1831
Mary Law 1773

Do they ring a bell?

Maryb

Alice was also in Stoke 1861

Jean

Jean Report 7 Mar 2010 18:25

Maryb many thanks but Robert and Alice's first child was John but he was born in Stoke-on-Trent and they never lived in Suffolk by 1861 Robert had moved from Fleetwood to Stoke-on-Trent with his family and how he met Alice who lived in Macclesfield I have yet to find out

Mary

Mary Report 7 Mar 2010 18:14

1861 they are in Stoke on trent.

Maryb

Jean

Jean Report 7 Mar 2010 18:11

I have look on the 1861 census and I can,t find either Alice winterbottom or alice jolly listed I know Alice was born in Macclesfield cheshire

Mary

Mary Report 7 Mar 2010 18:11

I got there names off tree on ancestry,but i haven't found the marriage myself as yet.

Maryb.

Alice Amy was born in Macclesfield to Charles T and mary A
1861 they are in Stoke on trent and 1871 Suffolk.

Robert and alice Amy's first child i think was John born Suffolk about 1873/4

They also had elizabeth who married frederick W Copstake and had a child 1901.



Jean

Jean Report 7 Mar 2010 18:00

many thanks robert didn,t have a middle name I have his birth certificate so I don,t think this is them although Alice has Amy as her middle name

Jean

Jean Report 7 Mar 2010 17:58

wow how did you find this so quickly this could be her. many many thanks

Staffslass

Staffslass Report 7 Mar 2010 17:57

The marriage Mary found looks better because on the census it is Alice A.

Sal

Jean

Jean Report 7 Mar 2010 17:55

many thanks yes this is my family but of course it does not give me alice's maiden name I keep hiting a brick wall with her, I have tried Staff Lancs and Cheshire bmds but no record of the marriage for Robert and alice

Mary

Mary Report 7 Mar 2010 17:54

Robert E Cross Fleetwood married Alice Amy Winterbottom and had 12/13 children.

Maryb

Staffslass

Staffslass Report 7 Mar 2010 17:54

I think this is a good chance for the marriage but gt grandmothers birth certificate would prove it.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1872 (>99%)
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CROSS Robert Fylde 8e 897
Fair Mary Fylde 8e 897
Fare Mary Fylde 8e 897
Fenton James Fylde 8e 897
JOLLY Alice Fylde 8e 897

Sal

Jean

Jean Report 7 Mar 2010 17:52

thanks for your reply this is the marriage of my grandparents I have their certificate

Staffslass

Staffslass Report 7 Mar 2010 17:52

For reference.




1891 census transcription details for: 7, Lennox Road, Trentham, Blurton, Longton

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12 Piece: 2146 Folio: 108 Page: 31


Reg. District: Stone Sub District: Trentham
Parish: Trentham Enum. District: 10
Ecclesiastical District: Normacott City/Municipal Borough: Longton

Address: 7, Lennox Road, Trentham, Blurton, Longton
County: Staffordshire


Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation ,
Disability Where Born

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CROSS, Robert Head Married M 44 1847 Striker For Blacksmith
Fleetwood
Lancashire

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CROSS, Alice A Wife Married F 39 1852
Macclesfield
Lancashire

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CROSS, John Son Single M 17 1874 Colliery Banksman
Fenton
Staffordshire

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CROSS, Henry Son M 14 1877 Colliery Ash Wheeler
Fenton
Staffordshire

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CROSS, Elizabeth Daughter F 12 1879 Scholar
Dresden
Staffordshire

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CROSS, Mary Ellen Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar
Dresden
Staffordshire

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CROSS, Alice A Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar
Roughclose
Staffordshire

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CROSS, Voilet Daughter F 5 1886
Normacot
Staffordshire

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CROSS, William Son M 3 1888
Normacot
Staffordshire

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CROSS, Margaret M Daughter F 2 1889
Normacot
Staffordshire

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CROSS, Albert E Son M 1 1890
Normacot
Staffordshire

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CROSS, Robert Son M 0 (1M) 1891
Normacot
Staffordshire


Jean

Jean Report 7 Mar 2010 17:50

Robert was born 1847 and alice 1852 their eldest child John was born 1874 robert was born in Fleetwood and alice in Macclesfied many thanks for your reply

Staffslass

Staffslass Report 7 Mar 2010 17:50

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1900 (>99%)
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Clayton Mary Ann Stoke T. 6b 304
Copestake Frederick William Stoke T. 6b 304 <<<<<<<
Cross Elizabeth Stoke T. 6b 304 <<<<<<
Kirkland Joseph Stoke T. 6b 304


I think this is the marriage.

Sal

EVEIE

EVEIE Report 7 Mar 2010 17:38

cant you get elizabeth birth certificate

Jean

Jean Report 7 Mar 2010 17:36

Alice Cross was my great grandmother she was married to Robert Cross their daughter Elizabeth was married to Frederick Copestake I am trying to find Alice's maiden name can anyone help