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tokan....

Francis and Mary A. also had twins Catherine and Patrick "Sasfield" Hogan born St Patricks Day 1871.....Greenock.
Marriage of Francis and Mary Ann 30 July 1866 Greenock...
Wonder where the other children between 1866/1871 are...must have been some...

so much information so grateful. i did find a marriage record on family search suggesting that mary ann gough married francis Hagan and went on to have a daughter also named mary ann.think this information is correct. all other info greatly appreciated. this will give me more to investigate! the more clues the easier the riddle.huge thanks to you all:)

For ref...

Ann Hilliard who married Patrick Carvel (father of Rosina) was the widow of James Hilliard 1 Smiths Lane (Died June 1899)

Mary Ann Gough's death certificate from Scotlandspeople will give you her parents names - if the informant knew the details.

1861 Possible??

Name: Mary Ann Gough
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: Alexander
Mother's Name: Hannah
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 564/1
Registration district: Greenock Middle
Civil parish: Greenock Middle
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 5 Smiths Lane
Occupation: Cotton Mill Worker
ED: 18
Household schedule number: 67
Line: 5
Roll: CSSCT1861_76
Household Members: Name Age
Alexander Gough 56 b. Ireland,Sugar House Labourer
Hannah Gough 50 b. Ireland
Mary Ann Gough 17
Catherine Gough 9 Daughter, b. Ireland
Neil McPherson 30 Boarder, b. Isle of Skye,Sugar House Labourer
James McPhail 25 Boarder, b. Ireland,Sugar House Labourer
Michael Boyle 23 Boarder, b. Isle of Skye,Sugar House Labourer


Source Citation: Parish: Greenock Middle; ED: 18; Page: 14; Line: 5; Roll CSSCT1861_76; Year: 1861.

tokan...

Rosina married John MacDougall 24th April 1903...address 33 Sir Michael Street.

tokan....

If the Mary Hagan (1891 Census) is your Mary Ann..Father : Francis Hagan.

These are the deaths of her her parents....

Mary Anne Gough wife of Francis Hagan died 13 Crawford Street 5 November 1889.
Francis Hagan (Tailor) husband of Mary Anne Gough died June 1896 at 6 Roslin Street.

all starts to make sense when you start piecing it together, maybe thats why rosina has moved out of the family home her dad remarried maybe Wicked step mother syndrome! or maybe too many cooks!
Thanks again for all the help most appreciated:)

Thank you so much this sounds about right . thankyou all so much for your response i would be lost without you all.

1891 just posting this one

Name: Rosina Carvee
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's Name: Patrick
Mother's Name: Catherine
Gender: Female
Where born: Greenock, Renfrew
Registration Number: 564/2
Registration district: Greenock West
Civil parish: Greenock West
Town: Greenock
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 28 Charles St
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 16
Household schedule number: 4
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1891_181
Household Members: Name Age
Patrick Carvee 30 born Greenock - rivetter
Catherine Carvee 30 born Ireland
Rosina Carvee 9
Patrick Carvee 3 born Ireland

Without checking the image on scotlandspeople I do not know if this could be Carvel




1901?
Name: Patrick Carvel
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Greenock, Renfrewshire
Registration Number: 564/2
Registration district: Greenock West
Civil parish: Greenock West
Town: Greenock
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 50 Dabymple St
Occupation: Riveter
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 119
Line: 11
Roll: CSSCT1901_196
Household Members: Name Age
Patrick Carvel 40
Ann Carvel 34 - Greenock
Patrick Carvel 13
Angus Hilliard 7 listed as stepson

EDIt snap!!

1891 Scotland Census
about Mary Ann Hagan
Name: Mary Ann Hagan
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's Name: Francis
Gender: Female
Where born: Greenock, Renfrewshire
Registration Number: 564/2
Registration district: Greenock West
Civil parish: Greenock West
Town: Greenock
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 13 Crawford St
Occupation: House Keeper
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 62
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1891_181
Household Members:
Name Age
Francis Hagan 45
Walter Hagan 10
Mary Ann Hagan 18

1891 poss

Name: Mary Ann Hagan
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's Name: Francis
Gender: Female
Where born: Greenock, Renfrewshire
Registration Number: 564/2
Registration district: Greenock West
Civil parish: Greenock West
Town: Greenock
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 13 Crawford St
Occupation: House Keeper
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 62
Line: 8
Roll: CSSCT1891_181
Household Members: Name Age
Francis Hagan 45 born Ireland - tailor
Walter Hagan 10
Mary Ann Hagan 18

Think i may have done my maths wrong sorry guys! ithink she may have been born in 1873. so sorry

Just for information - I know you have this:

1901 Scotland Census

Name: Mary Ann O'Rourke
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : Edward
Gender: Female
Where born: Greenock, Renfrew
Registration Number: 564/2
Registration district: Greenock West
Civil parish: Greenock West
Town: Greenock
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 26 Tobago Street

Name Age
Edward O'Rourke 28
Mary Ann O'Rourke 28
Edward O'Rourke 7
Mary Ann O'Rourke 3 days
Rosina Carvel 19

Puzzled

1901?

Name: Mary Ann O'Rourke
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : Edward
Gender: Female
Where born: Greenock, Renfrew
Registration Number: 564/2
Registration district: Greenock West
Civil parish: Greenock West
Town: Greenock
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 26 Tobago Street
ED: 9
Household schedule number: 80
Line: 2
Roll: CSSCT1901_196
Household Members: Name Age
Edward O'Rourke 28
Mary Ann O'Rourke 28
Edward O'Rourke 7
Mary Ann O'Rourke 3 days
Rosina Carvel 19 born Greenock - niece



Is this the right family?

Do you have the marriage cert?

That's fairly old for a first marriage back then - might she have married before?
Jan

Maiden name didnt mary until 1898. for which i have info. in 1901 census she has a niece living with her by the name of Rosina carvel. not sure if her or husbands connection

Is that maiden or married name?

If married then who is husband or names of any children?

Would appreciate any help trying to find any information on my gg grandmother. Mary ann Hagan c.1863. believe to be living in renfrewshire scotland.