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I'm trying to trace my Great Great Grandfather Can anyone help?
I have details of his Death certificate giving has age so I have been able to establish his DOB.as 1797
I know from entries on his sons Birth Certificate that his profession was a 'Victualler' and I also believe he lived in the London/ Middlesex area.
As there is nothing in Genes Reunited I believe that records may have been destroyed during the Blitz. If there was any research done before the 1939 - 1945 war into geneology of Richard Engley I would love to find access to it.
Please help me if you can.

can you make a bit clearer what you actually know.

1797 - ''1939 - 1945 war into geneology of Richard Engley'' is a bit of a leap timewise

Do you have a name for this man? When did he die?

Genes Reunited does not hold any records - all this site does is link you to others.

What relevance does WW2 have for someone born in the 18th century?

To the best of my knowledge, the only records destroyed during the blitz were military archives pertaining to WW1

His death Certificate details tells me that he died in 1848 aged 51 and was buried in Nunhead Cemetry Lindon Grove Southwark Surrey - This allowed me to establish his DOB

1939-1945 was the duration of the Second world War during which time the area in which he might have been born being close to the docks in London was Heavily bombed during the Blitz of London, leading me to think this could be a possible reason for not being able to find details of his DOB.
Hope this clarifies my post.

Are we to assume you are researching RICHARD ENGLEY?

You will not be able to get birth details - the best you can hope for is a baptism.

Have you looked for that record on the IGI?

Could this be a son?

RICHARD ENGLEY
Birth: 25 FEB 1829

Christening: 23 MAR 1829 Saint Luke Old Street, Finsbury, London, England


Parents:
Father: RICHARD ENGLEY
Mother: ANN


Can you confirm that you have a son's BIRTH certificate????

Who registered this death?

Name: Richard Engley
Year of Registration: 1848
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Lambeth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 4
Page: 285

hi

could not find a marriage in London

it was interesting to see that his son richard b1828 was in a licensed victuallars school on the 1841 census

Ann

Hi Flick & Michael
Thanks for the reply - The relevance to the WW2, was the area bombed, I thought may possibly have destroyed cemeteries or parish churches in which the Birth certificate information was held, whereas anybody that may have access to information pre ww2 (i.e. the Birth registeration/certificate of Richard Engley c1797.

Hi Ann
Yes I do have the info on his son being at the Licensed Victuallers
School ( My great Grandfather)
It is also interesting to know That I believe My Great Great GrandFather was only a Victualler and not a Licenced Victualler.
In the 1834 trial at the Old Baily The Barmaid Matilde Engley giving evidence in a Theft trial said her Father Richard Engley kept the Castle PH in City Road and did not state that he was the Publican. For to be that he would have to be a Licenced Victualler.

You cannot get certificates for any events prior to the inception of the GRO in mid-1837

hi

have you managed to find him in the 1841 census as that would say if he was born in the area you find him in.

i have not been able to

Ann

Hi

I noticed you mentioned a daughter Matilda. the only one I can find is matilda bap 27/3/1814 stroud, Gloucester father richard and mother nancy skeet. another child maria was bap at the same time also there is a mary bap 28/6/1812 stroud with same parents.

There is a Matilda died 1845 age 29 born abt1816. died st luke old street islington lived Noble street parish st Luke

I cannot find any of these Engley in the 1841 census at all

Ann

Hi Ann,
Richard Engley aged 12 is in the 1841 Census as a boarder at the Licensed Victuallers School. I found this out in Ancestry.co.uk 1841 Census.
Matilde, born abt 1816 would just about fit with the age of Richard born 1797, as his daughter, if she was his first child after his Marriage to Ann in 1815.
A Marriage took place, at the church of St Bartholemew the Great in the City of London, during August 1835, between Matilde Engley and William John Curtis. Unfortunately the witnesses to their William Dodd and Mary Dodd, and not Richard Engley so doesn't give absolute proof of Matildes farther being Richard.
Incidently The Old Baily trial occured 1 year later in 1834.
It would certainly seem that the Matilde who died in 1845 is likely to be the same Matilde.- Thanks for the information anyway I shall enter into my records later
Regarding the Matilda you found bap 27/3/1814 stroud Gloucester with father named as Richard and mother as nancy skeet, I don't think can be the same as my nancy skeet was married to John Thomas Martin in1872 with Richard Engley named as father, who was married to Mary Ann Engley (formerly Hine)
regards Peter

You need to visit the appropriate County Records Office.

Only a fraction of Parish info is available on line

hi

If your matilda married then the death I found wont be right

Ann

Hi Cythia
Thanks for the info regarding using threads, I did respond but as your message came up again I assume I must have not complied correctly.
So here goes again. hopefully I have done it correctly this time
regards Peter

Hi Cynthia
Just responded again trust all is OK now