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To all those who gave me such valuable assistance.

As promised, As I left the local Morrisons on Wednesday I was confronted by an elderly man standing in the rain and bitter cold with a collection box for A Childrens Cancer Charirty. I duly placed £7 in his box ,much to his suprise and pleasure, with an explanation as to why.

I hope to be able to do the same again in due course as I have another headache coming on with another branch of the same tree.

When I told my commander Aulus Plautius what I had done ,he said 'good. now go and sort out the Durototriges. (a little bit of history).

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Once again grateful thanks to all helpers. youv'e given me much to think about.

The 1851 Census
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association with:
1851 England Census about Estie Copson
Name: Estie Copson
Age: 61
Estimated birth year: abt 1790
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Maretone, Northamptonshire, England
Civil parish: Lutterworth
Town: Lutterworth
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Lutterworth
Sub-registration district: Lutterworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 25a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 103
Household Members:
Name Age
Estie Copson 61
John Copson 30
Joseph Copson 24



1841 England Census about John Copson
Name: John Copson
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Leicestershire, England
Civil parish: Bitteswell
Hundred: Guthlaxton
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Lutterworth
Sub-registration district: Lutterworth
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Ambros Copson 40
Ester Copson 40
John Copson 20
Elizabeth Copson 12
Ann Copson 14
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Ambrose Tarrey Copson
Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
About 1796 Cosby, Leicester, England
Christening:
04 SEP 1796 Saint Michael And All Angels, Cosby, Leicester, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: William Copson
Family
Mother: Ann Tarrey



some children of ambrose and esther.

1. MARY COPSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 11 DEC 1819 Bitteswell, Leicester, England
2. BETSY COPSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 12 OCT 1830 Bitteswell, Leicester, England
3. JOSEPH COPSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 29 OCT 1824 Bitteswell, Leicester, England
4. WILLIAM COPSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 11 JAN 1823 Bitteswell, Leicester, England
5. THOMAS COPSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 11 JAN 1823 Bitteswell, Leicester, England

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AMBROSE TARRY COPSON
Pedigree
Male
Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: ESTHER WOOLMER
Family
Marriage:
28 OCT 1816 Cosby, Leicester, England

what a good idea , heres a few more for luck !

Name: John Copson
Estimated birth year: abt 1818
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 80
District: Lutterworth
County: Leicestershire, Northamptonshire, Warwickshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 2 (click to see others on page)

You people are brilliant. Tell you what I am going to do, I'm going to put the cost of a certificate in the next Charity Collection box I see. PROMISE.

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JOHN COPSON
Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
About 11 OCT 1818 Cosby, Leicester, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: AMBROSE COPSON
Family
Mother: ESTHER

Hey, my headache is getting better already.
What a response

Absolutely brilliant, Thanks all very much

Your "mistake" was in assuming Joseph was the first child of a young man, when in fact he was the youngest of a middle aged man.

Always try to find the family together on the censuses prior to marriage.

You can also check that the occupation of the father on marriage ties in with the census, though people did change their occupations.

1871 England Census about John Copson
Name: John Copson
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Charlotte
Gender: Male
Where born: Bitteswell, Leicestershire, England
Civil parish: Bitteswell
Town: Bitteswell
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Lutterworth
Sub-registration district: Lutterworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 85
Household Members:
Name Age
John Copson 52
Charlotte Copson 44
Ann Copson 11
Thomas Copson 9
William Copson 6
Joseph Copson 4

1851 England Census
Name: John Copson
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Estie
Gender: Male
Where born: Corby, Leicestershire, England

Civil parish: Lutterworth
Town: Lutterworth
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Lutterworth
Sub-registration district: Lutterworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 25a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 103
Household Members: Name Age
Estie Copson 61 (Ester on original) a Widow
John Copson 30
Joseph Copson 24




Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2078; Folio: 314; Page: 27; GSU roll: 87704.

his birth Lutterworth covered Bitteswell
Name: Joseph Copson
Year of Registration: 1866
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Lutterworth
County: Leicestershire, Northamptonshire, Warwickshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 7

Marriages Dec 1858 (>99%)
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Copson John Lutterworth 7a 6
Ford Charlotte Lutterworth 7a 6

heres Joseph on the 1881 census.not much help tho!!
Name: Joseph Copson
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Bitteswell, Leicestershire, England

Civil parish: Churchover
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Farm Serv Indoor

Registration district: Rugby
Sub-registration district: Rugby
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Read 40 occ Farmer of 95acres employing one man and two boys
Fanny Read 47
Ann Baily 49
Ada E. Seymour 19
Joseph Copson 14


Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3076; Folio: 117; Page: 13; GSU roll: 1341734.

1861 England Census
Name: John Copson
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Charlotte
Gender: Male
Where born: Cosby, Leicestershire, England

Civil parish: Bitteswell
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Lutterworth
Sub-registration district: Lutterworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
John Copson 40
Charlotte Copson 33
Ann Copson 1




Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2244; Folio: 37; Page: 3; GSU roll: 542942.

1871 England Census
Name: Joseph Copson
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Male
Where born: Bitteswell, Leicestershire, England
Civil parish: Bitteswell
Town: Bitteswell
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Lutterworth
Sub-registration district: Lutterworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 85
Household Members: Name Age
John Copson 52 - born Bitteswell
Charlotte Copson 44 - born Humberstone, Leics
Ann Copson 11
Thomas Copson 9
William Copson 6
Joseph Copson 4




Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3220; Folio: 128; Page: 16; GSU roll: 839266.

WELL births pre 1875 may not have been registered as it wasnt compulsary till then
Have you looked for him on any census

JOHN COPSON

Joseph Copson is confirmed as being married in May 1891. Certificate shows that Joseph was 24 years old, his residence was Bitterswell, (Leicestershire) and that his father's name was John.

I can find no reference to John's marriage.

If joseph was 24 at the time of marriage it gives him a birth date of c1867.Free BMD shows a Joseph Copson 's birth being registered in December 1866 at Lutterworth GRO No 7a 7

I am assuming that John would have been around the same age as Joseph when he was married. which gives him a birth date of c1847.

Free BMD shows a birth for a Johh Copson registered at Brixworth in March 1844. GRO No 15 250

I am seeking further information on a) John's marriage, and b) His actual birth.

Any information that would ease my aching head woulkd be gratefully accepted.

I know that I could obtain the necessary certificates but as I have already spent close on £30.00 pounds so far I'm hoping that someone will give my pocket a rest