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can anyone help,my grandfather was from scotland i believe and was in the 2nd world war.i got date of birth and a lot of his record but hav,nt got a date when he died,because of this i cant get records from the mod,can anyone help

Need his name and any dates please

his name is sam adams DOB 8th march 1911

Did Sam die during the war please? Where did he live before joining up?

as far as i know he didnt die during the war? he was in the kings regiment in 1941. not sure where he lived but i believe he came from scotland but cant be positive about this.

A free search of the indexes on Scotlandspeople show that there were 6 Samuel Adams born in Scotland in 1911. If you don't know the area the only way to find which, if any, were born on 8th March would be to order a copies of those certificates.

Assuming that you haven't found him on the 1911 English census, you could wait until the 1911 Scottish census is released in 2011.

Do you have his father's name and occupation from his marriage certificate please? Can you tell us where he married and to whom and the area where you knew he lived?

Where did he die and when please?


I assume that this is not your Samuel - although born at the correct time?


1911 Census

HOUSEHOLD ADAMS SAMUEL M 1911 1 MONTH Bedwellty Monmouthshire

perhaps living with some of these people?

HOUSEHOLD ADAMS EMILY F 1871 40 Bedwellty Monmouthshire
HOUSEHOLD ADAMS EMILY F 1896 15 Bedwellty Monmouthshire
HOUSEHOLD ADAMS FLORIE F 1897 14 Bedwellty Monmouthshire
HOUSEHOLD ADAMS GLADICE F 1907 4 Bedwellty Monmouthshire
HOUSEHOLD ADAMS JOHN M 1889 22 Bedwellty Monmouthshire
HOUSEHOLD ADAMS LILY F 1896 15 Bedwellty Monmouthshire
HOUSEHOLD ADAMS MARYANN F 1909 2 Bedwellty Monmouthshire
HOUSEHOLD ADAMS RUTH F 1905 6 Bedwellty Monmouthshire
HOUSEHOLD ADAMS SARA F 1894 17 Bedwellty Monmouthshire
HOUSEHOLD ADAMS WILHDOM M 1903 8 Bedwellty Monmouthshire
HOUSEHOLD ADAMS WILLFRED M 1901 10 Bedwellty Monmouthshire
HOUSEHOLD ADAMS WILLIAM M 1866 45 Bedwellty Monmouthshire
HOUSEHOLD ADAMS WILLIAM M 1900 11 Bedwellty Monmouthshire



Same family in 1901

Name: Florence M Adams
Age in 1901: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1899
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Emily
Gender: Female
Where born: Abertillery, Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil parish: Abertillery
Ecclesiastical parish: Abertillery St Michael
Town: Abertillery
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Bedwellty
Sub-registration district: Aberystruth
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 17
Household Members: Name Age
William Adams 34 Coal Hewer
Emily Adams 29
Sarah Adams 7
Emily Adams 5
Florence M Adams 2
William Adams 8 months
John Jones 39 Lodger
Leonard Bethel 25 Lodger

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4935; Folio: 84; Page: 4.

I,m sorry i dont have much more info on sam adams apart from what i have provided,i know he was in lancashire in 1930/31 because he joined the lancashire fusileres.
If i wanted to order copies of the birth certificates that you suggested where do i get them from.

Good Morning Shaun

The certificate could be order via the Scotlandspeople site. This could be rather expensive and I would only advise that as a last resort. First try putting a request on the Records Office board asking if anyone will be visiting the Records Office in Edinburgh and is willing to do lookups on your behalf. They would be able to view the entries and if they find a Sam Adams with the correct date of birth they can make notes for you.

Did your grandparents marry please? You first step should really be to get that certificate as you will then have Sam's father's name and occupation to cross reference with any birth that you find. IF you need help to get the reference for his marriage tell us his wife's name and we can help you look. If he married in Scotland then his marriage entry will give his parents' names including his mother's maiden surname.

Hope this helps.

thanks for your notes and i understand what your saying about costs but unfortunately that is the only path open to me at the moment, because they never married and he was transferred by the army so never knew that she had a son ,my father.
so i am hoping one of the birth certificates coincides with his dob,then i can take it from there.

I got more info about his army record up to 1941 including his army number but unfortunately the mod wont pass info to me without proof of kin.or without a death certificate.

I will keep you posted of any developments,unless you have any ideas about army records.

Shaun try the Records Board first- it could save you quite a bit of money. just put Edinburgh Records Office in the heading. Then ask if anyone could do the lookups for you. If I was going myself in the near future I would happily do it for you as it would only take about 10 minutes.

sorry to keep bothering you but i would like to ask u a couple questions please.

I ordered birth certificates and they came today and 1 of them tally,s with the same person i am looking for apart from there is 3 days seperating the dob, is this usual/ or unusual ? I am not hundred percent that i had the right dob.
what are the chances of this being the right person before i go full on into this. and how do i proceed from here on tracking him or family down.

Shaun

I probably wouldn't worry too much about a couple of days out on his birth.

Do you know where he died?

Are you trying to track descendants of his siblings please?

What was the date and place of his parents marriage (from the certificate that you think may be his)?

Did your grandparents marry? If they did does the name of his father on his marriage certificate tie in with the name on that birth certificate?

What was the last address and date you have for Sam please?

1 No i dont know where he died,that was the next step to try and find a death certificate.
2 Yes i am trying to find out if and how many children he had.
3 JUly 15th 1898 partick.
4 No they never married.
5 dont have an address he was in the army but i know he transferred to the 10th battalion kings liverpool / scottish regiment on 2nd jan 1941.

hope this helps.

Finding children or maybe even grandchildren of his siblings might give you some more information to work on. Obviously when the 1911 Scottish census comes out next year that will help.

Meanwhile do you have access to the 1901 census to look for possible siblings?

I am a member at ancestry.

Shaun

can you let us know the parents names from the birth cert please

Jackie

I dd a search for his death using date of birth there are only 2 but they are unfortunately within the closure period so cannot be viewed online

1 1974 ADAMS SAMUEL Not Permissible M 63 GLASGOW GLASGOW/GLASGOW CITY 619/00 0634 No Image ORDER
2 1986 ADAMS SAMUEL Not Permissible M 75 AYR /SOUTH AYRSHIRE 680/00 0275 No Image ORDER

Jackie

hi jackie his parents names were william and annie. (gray)