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I have the unfortunate name of Mary Brown !
She married Joseph Vine in 1913 in West Ham.
The cert says father Michael Brown a labourer.
There are possibilities in the 1891/1901 census.
Too many births in the London area for Mary.
How on earth do I proceed with this?

I really need some help.

Regards

Maggie

Ancensus - household transcription
Person: BROWN, Michael John
Address: 128 Jersey Road Custom House

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Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
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BROWN, Michael Head Widower M 56 1855 Dock Labourer Cork Ireland Resident VIEW
BROWN, Julia Daughter Single F 24 1887 Essex Canning Town VIEW
BROWN, Mary Daughter Single F 22 1889 Chocolate Moulder On Factory Essex Canning Town VIEW
BROWN, Michael John Son Single M 19 1892 Wooden Box Maker In Factory Essex Canning Town VIEW
BROWN, Patrick Thomas Son M 9 1902 School Custom House Essex VIEW
BROWN, Norah Bridget Daughter F 7 1904 School Custom House Essex VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
9487 Reference:
RG14PN9487 RG78PN508 RD188 SD4 ED17 SN144

Registration District:
West Ham Sub District:
Canning Town Enumeration District:
17 Parish:
West Ham

Address:
128 Jersey Road Custom House County:
Essex



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census
y good?

Thanks Ann, I saw this and wondered, I just don't have the proof it is her, although after such a common name there are very few with father Michael Brown

Thanks for your help
Maggie

What's her address on the marriage certificate and who were the witnesses?

Rose

Maggie,

the age fits, what was the address and witness names on marriage cert?

Annx

Married at St Lukes in the parish of Victoria Docks West Ham.
address 20 Totnes Road

Witnessess J E Bratten and M Vine

Unforunatley I do not know London areas, so quite difficult even though I have googled all the places

Maggie

1891 England Census
about Mary Browne
Name: Mary Browne
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Michael
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Canning Town, Essex, England
Civil parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Michael Browne 36
Mary Browne 24
Julia Browne 4
Mary Browne 2
Patrick Mc Carthy 15 brother in law

Rose

Wonder if this is the marriage:

Marriages Jun 1872
Bradley Johanna St. Olave 1d 399
***Brown Michael John St. Olave 1d 399
Haley Michael St Olave 1d 399
***McCARTHY Mary St Olave 1d 399

Rose

I think the 1911 census must be the correct family. If you look for Mary Browns born c1889 with father Michael there are very few, and that one matches on all points.

Rose

Maggie, if you use the advanced search on the 1911 searching for:


Mary Brown 1889 2years+/- with father named Michael there are only 2 results.....so it is a good bet it is the family.

Annx

thanks, just been looking at the 1891 for Michael Browne and it says his wife and brother in law born East Indies, a whole new ball game now!

Thanks to you all, I am really grateful, but at a loss as to where to go for Mary

Maggie

Maggie,

What exactly are you trying to find out about Mary?

Annx

Hi Ann, just trying to find the family of Mary Brown who married Joseph Vine, and not being certain which census she appeared on.

Thanks for all your help

Maggie

What about this birth? if this is the one it would verify her mothers full name


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Jun 1889 (>99%)
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Brown Mary W. Ham 4a 52



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Thanks Ann, this is the problem I have been having, because I don't know London areas. I saw several births for a Mary Brown, but which one?? Now I see that Canning town comes under West Ham, so this birth is a strong possibility thank you..

Maggie

Maggie,

Searching a 4 year span below are the only 3:Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Jun 1887 (>99%)
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Brown Mary W. Ham 4a 68

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Births Jun 1889 (>99%)
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Brown Mary W. Ham 4a 52

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Births Sep 1891 (>99%)
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BROWN Mary Wilkie W.Ham 4a 207

Thanks Ann

On the 1891 census Mary Brown (mother) aged 24, was born in East Indies. On the 1901 it says birth place London Poplar.
Does anyone know if there is/was an 'East Indies' in London, maybe an area ?
Thanks
Maggie

Hi maggie,

Only just logged on so sorry for not replying! That is a strange one indeed East Indies?

I think I can see her also in the 1871, but not sure and there it states born poplar..parents born Ireland.

I understand your doubt, when also the brother is born East Indies. have you unraveled it yet?

Annx

Hi Ann, no it is not unravelled yet.lol

The marriage Rose gave cannot be theirs as Mary would only have been 5 ! and I can't find another one for a Michael Brown and Mary McCarthy in the right time scale. Always assuming she was called McCarthy because of the brother in law Patrick McCarthy link in 1891
The one you found in 1871, was it mother Bridget? It says father Florence !!

The search continues !

Maggie

Found it ! Phew....

Marriages Jun 1886
BROWNE Michael W Ham 4a 221
McCARTHY Mary W.Ham 4a 221

Brown with an 'e'