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This is a very big longshot & very vague - but here goes :

Joseph Johnson, believed to have been born about 1838 / 1840 possibly in Worcester - Birmingham areas, son of Nathaniel Johnson & ?

On Joseph's marriage cert. to Sarah Starkey ( King's Norton 30 April 1860 ) he is 21 & living in Balsall Heath ( then Worcestershire - Birmingham from 1912 ) & is a carpenter, with Nathaniel as a shoe maker.

Can anyone please find Joseph on 1841/1851 census', hopefully with his parents -or maybe widowed mother ?

Thanks everyone , i know it looks bad but it really is all the info. that i have .

Please can you put up a census that you have him on with Sarah for ref..

i've no idea how to do that , but i have Joseph first in 1871 , then 1881 ,1891 & 1901 with his wife in Birmingham...he is not with her in 1861 ( she is on her own with a visiting sister , in Birmingham).

His occupation is always Carpenter.

I am just hoping to find him as a child & hopefully with his mother.

Thanks.

1891..
JOHNSON, Joseph Head Married M 52 1839 Carpenter
Birmingham
Warwickshire
JOHNSON, Sarah Wife Married F 53 1838
Birmingham
Warwickshire
JOHNSON, Sarah Daughter Single F 24 1867 Laundress
Houndslow
Middlesex
JOHNSON, Alfred C Son Single M 15 1876 Brasscaster
Birmingham
Warwickshire
JOHNSON, John Son Single M 14 1877 Polisher Brass
Birmingham
Warwickshire
JOHNSON, Mary E Daughter Single F 12 1879 Scholar
Birmingham
Warwickshire
JOHNSON, Elizabeth J Daughter Single F 8 1883 Scholar
Birmingham
Warwickshire
JOHNSON, Henry M Son Single M 6 1885 Scholar
Birmingham
Warwickshire
RG number:
RG12 Piece:
2406 Folio:
39 Page:
25

Registration District:
Aston Sub District:
Deritend Enumeration District:
28 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Holy Trinity

Civil Parish:
Bordesley Municipal Borough:
Birmingham Address:
10 Back 237, Bradford Street, Bordesley, Birmingham County:
Warwickshire

To get a handle on the family..

This is correct family Fanny

How to copy and paste

Highlite what you want to copy (so it goes blue) then hit the ctrl button and the letter C go to where you want to put it and hit the ctrl button and letter V....thats how I do it anyway

searching backwards !



1881 England Census
Name: Joseph Johnson
Age: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Aston
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address: 11 Back 28 Arthur Street
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Carpenter Journeyman

Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel: 50
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Johnson 41
Sarah Johnson 42
William J. Johnson 15
Sarah A. Johnson 14
Emma E. Johnson 11
Alfred C. Johnson 5
John S. Johnson 4
Mary E. Johnson 2




Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3021; Folio: 8; Page: 9; GSU roll: 1341722.

Hi Choccy..Been a while..

At least he still says born Birmingham.

Thanks Jax,was going to explain that later re Copy/paste.

Not having much luck so far,but keeping at it.

Hmmm,late christening maybe?

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
12 JAN 1845 Saint Thomas, Birmingham, Warwick, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: NATHANIEL JOHNSON
Family
Mother: ELIZABETH

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Not sure if this any good .


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NATHANIEL JOHNSON Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZABETH HAYES Family
Marriage: 08 FEB 1813 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England



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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.


Kind Regards Susan

not seeing Sarah on her own with her sister in 1871, but think this is them -

children have same names ???



1871 England Census
Name: Jas Johnson
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Aston
Town: Deritend
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Aston
Sub-registration district: Deritend
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 138
Household Members: Name Age
Jas Johnson 33
Sarah Johnson 33
Wm Johnson 5
Sarah Ann 4
Emma Ann 2




Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3135; Folio: 38; Page: 28; GSU roll: 839227.


Could be Jos. and not Jas. on original.

He is a Carpenter.

It looks like them to me Choccy.

Every thing is right to my mind...

Sorry Choccy , my mistake , she is with her sister in 1861 ( no Joseph though ).

I also looked at same christening & thought possible until i found a Joseph Johnson Birth reg. Birmingham March 1845 - so thought it may be him....

1861 for Sarah.?

JOHNSON, Sarah Wife Married F 22 1839 Carpenters Wife
Warwick
Warwickshire
HARKE, Hannah Visitor Unmarried F 17 1844 Blacksmiths Daughter
Warwick
Warwickshire
RG number:
RG09 Piece:
2173 Folio:
41 Page:
34

Registration District:
Aston Sub District:
1 Deritend Enumeration District:
22 Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Aston Municipal Borough:
Birmingham Address:
Spring Vale, Miles Street, Aston, Birmingham County:
Warwickshire

yes, that is Sarah's sister Hannah Starkey ( mis- transcribed ) visiting in 1861.

There's this one - occupation is a Joiner - doesn't say whether he is single or married.

George Getley is a Carpenter.



1861 England Census
Name: Joseph Johnson
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Knowle, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: St Mary Extra
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: South Stoneham
Sub-registration district: St Mary Extra
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 71
Household Members: Name Age
George F Getley 41
Mary Ann Getley 39
Henry Getley 19
Sarah A Getley 17
William Getley 13
Enoch Getley 11
Ellen Getley 9
Mary Ann Getley 7
Joseph Johnson 24




Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 680; Folio: 77; Page: 12; GSU roll: 542683.

Nothing at all before 1871 for Joseph can I find that is at all certain..
Somerset girls looks the nearest.

I think it will have to be a birth cert search and pray job.

likeliest looks this do you think?

Births Jun 1838
Johnson Joseph Aston 16 176

And for 2nd choice

Births Mar 1841
Johnson Joseph Birmingham 16 237

Thanks to everyone who joined in the challenge , i am very grateful to you all for your efforts in trying to find the elusive Joseph Johnson as a child - at the moment he will have to remain lost to history as he obviously is not ready to be found just yet !