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Looking back over this thread when it popped up today, I was going to say the same thing about Cornwall -- my grandfather was also born in West Ham to a father born in Cornwall whose parents and ancestors way back were there. ;)

Thought of one other place to look at re Treloars in WWII -- the Canadian Legion's "Last Post", which contains death notices of all vetarans whose deaths come to the attention of the Legion, but only relatively recently (from the 1990s).

http://www.legionmagazine.com/en/lastpost/

There are three Treloars there (the first year shown is year of death, the second date is the date the notice was published at Lat Post):

TRELOAR Leading Bombardier Albert J. (Doug) 77th Bty., 3rd Fld. Regt. World War 2 Brandon, Manitoba 2004 March/April, 2005

TRELOAR Lieutenant Ernest J. Royal Navy World War 2 British Columbia 1998 March/April 1999

TRELOAR Private William H. 2 Winnipeg Grenadiers Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders of Canada World War 2 Minnedosa, Manitoba 1999 March/April 2000

I don't suppose your dad has any idea what service the sons were in, but you could show him them.

Gof10/11, did you happen to get the 1893 death certificate?


Just to note that brothers Bennett and Thomas were botn in the 1901 census:

Name: Bennett Treloar
Spouse: Louisa Treloar abt 1882
Birth: abt 1878 - Forest Gate, Essex, England
Residence: 1901 - West Ham, Essex, England

Name: Thomas H Treloar
Birth: abt 1885 - West Ham, Essex, England
Residence: 1901 - West Ham, Essex, England


This seems to be Thomas in 1911:

TRELOAR THOMAS 1886 25 West Ham Essex
TRELOAR ALICE 1887 24 West Ham Essex
and kids Ivy and Thomas William

Marriages Jun 1908
FARROW Alice Eliza W. Ham 4a 312
Treloar Thomas Henry W. Ham 4a 312

More Treloar-Farrow births after 1913 in West Ham (I have not checked for deaths in infancy):

Alice M 1913
Emma V 1915
Beatrice M 1918
Edward C 1920
May E 1922
Frederick W 1925
Benjamin W 1927
John E 1927
(twins)
Jean 1929
Ronald E 1931


and Bennett

TRELOAR BENNETT WILLIAM 1878 33 West Ham Essex
TRELOAR LOUISA ELIZABETH 1881 30 West Ham Essex
and kids Bennett Wiliam, Louisa Elizabeth, Florence Jane, May Lillian and Rosetta May.

Marriages Dec 1897
Foster Louisa Elizabeth W. Ham 4a 190
Treloar Bennett William W. Ham 4a 190

There are Treloar-Foster births in West Ham after 1911:

Edward T 1912
Thomas R 1915
Amelia F 1918
Robert J 1921
George C 1923


I wonder whether it was sons of Thomas and/or Bennett who were in the Canadian military in WWII?

Hi there, I had a look in the TRELOAR GENEALOGY by Orson Lee Treloar but could not find your Phillip. There is a website dedicated to the 'Treloars' which might be useful (just 'google' it)!
The name 'Phillip' is not a typical Treloar name, Bennet is very common, so if you have 3/4 generations all named ie. Bennett middle names may have been adopted to avoid confusion!
The book mentioned above can be viewed on line.
The Treloars can be traced back to c.1573 and the original name was TRELOWARTH also spelt TRELOARTH, hailing from Cornwall.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Kris

You're quite welcome!

Have you tried contacting the person who corrected the surname in the 1881 census at Ancestry?


Name: Phillip Tralor ?
[Phillip Treloar]
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Bennet
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Where born: Stratford, Essex, England

Civil parish: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Street Address: 34 Livingstone Rd
Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Stratford

Bennet Tralor ? 29
Elizabeth Tralor ? 25
Elizabeth Tralor ? 5
Bennett Tralor ? 3
Phillip Tralor ? 1


Surnames for all household members have been corrected but unfortunately no info about the user's relationsihp seems to be given. Could be the one with the tree I suppose. And also unfortunately, the corrections were made in 2006 and it's been over six months (could be 3 years) since that user logged in - but could be worth a try.


And you know ... I really would get that death certificate:

Name: Philip Treloar
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Year of Registration: 1893
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 13
District: Whitechapel
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 234


It matches your Philip in every respect, and there just is not another Philip Treloar it could be -- yours was the only one born within 20 years of 1880. In fact yours is the *only* Philip Treloar (except after 1900, see below). I think family history could really be inaccurate, as suggested earlier, and the WWII Canadians were likely the sons (or more likely grandsons?) of another brother.

The death certificate should give some info that would make it possible to identify that person -- address or parent's name, name of informant (possibly a family member if not an informant), for instance.

Also note that someone, perhaps a brother, seems to have named a baby in the next generation for him - perhaps because he died?

Births Sep 1908
Treloar Philip John W. Ham 4a 92
Deaths Jun 1909
TRELOAR Philip John 0 W. Ham 4a 79

Thank you so much Janey.Will print all this off for my dad. Annie

Per mgnv's info, the four brothers (not including any Philip) were in BC in 1901 (and I can find only Ferdinand in 1911).

http://search.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/sn-23F8368/gbsearch/Births,Marriages,Deaths

I don't see any marriages in BC that can be matched to them.

This death could match William, shown in the 1901 as born in 1872:

William Treloar
Place Powell River
Reg. Number: 1946-09-009803
Date: 1946 7 22 (Yr/Mo/Day)
Age: 73
Event: Death
Microfilm #: B13191 (GSU # 2032423)
Copy Available

but that's the only possible I see. BC is unusual for Canada in that death records are accessible up to 1989, so if they died there, the deaths would be in the search results.


At ancestry.ca, to which I don't subscribe, searching for surname Trel*r in case of mistranscription, there are William Trelor 1873 and his wife Fannie 1879, with children
Harold Burnet Trelor 1901
Ames Arnold Trelor 1902
William Wilfred Trelor 1905
Haldo Green Trelor 1908 (Waldo, I'd guess)
in Comox-Atlin, BC.

Groom Name: William Treloar
Bride Name: Fanny Wilson
Event Date: 1900 6 5 (Yr/Mo/Day)
Event Place: Vancouver
Reg. Number: 1900-09-047689
B.C. Archives Microfilm Number: B11372
GSU Microfilm Number: 1983529

I still can't find them at automatedgenealogy in 1911 (the search function there is the pits).


One son's death from the BC vital stats site:

Wilfred William Treloar
Place Vananda
Reg. Number: 1930-09-432908
Date: 1930 7 7 (Yr/Mo/Day)
Age: 25
Event: Death
Microfilm #: B13138 (GSU # 1952650)
Copy Available

Births (accessible to 1903 only):

Harold Bennett Treloar
Place Vananda
Reg. Number: 1901-09-054722
Date: 1901 5 10 (Yr/Mo/Day)
Event: Birth
Microfilm #: B13817 (GSU # 2134887)
Copy Available

and

Name: Harold Bennett Treloar
Event Date: 1964 4 18 (Yr/Mo/Day)
Age: 62
Gender: male
Event Place: Nanaimo
Reg. Number: 1964-09-005949
B.C. Archives Microfilm Number: B13266
GSU Microfilm Number: 2033689

Amos Oswold Treloar
Place Texada Island
Reg. Number: 1902-09-054742
Date: 1902 11 5 (Yr/Mo/Day)
Event: Birth
Microfilm #: B13818 (GSU # 2134888)
Copy available

and

Name: Amos Oswald Treloar
Event Date: 1964 8 7 (Yr/Mo/Day)
Age: 61
Gender: male
Event Place: Grenville Channel
Reg. Number: 1964-09-010789
B.C. Archives Microfilm Number: B13268
GSU Microfilm Number: 2033691


With the additional info, searching at Google for
treloar vananda

http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/LONDON/1999-05/0926196534

English surnames from various cemeteries in B.C., Canada.
Woodland Cemetery, Vananda:
TRELOAR, William 1872-1946 no origin specified.


There just isn't a Philip in a record anywhere.


So here's what I suggest!

http://www.whitepages.ca/

There are 26 telephone listings for surname Treloar in British Columbia. I imagine most derive from Treloars who were there before your Treloar brothers (earlier families in the censuses and vital records). But there'd be no harm in sending out 26 letters to enquire.

*If* the William who died in 1946 was one of your brothers -- there are several Treloars in Powell River at present.

Pinning them down one by one!

1901 England Census
about Thomas H Treloar
Name: Thomas H Treloar
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1885
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: West Ham, Essex, England

Civil parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address: 47 Devonshire Place

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Plaistow
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 120
Household Members: Name Age
Henry S Nicholls 41
Lydia A Nicholls 37
Henry W Nicholls 20
William T Nicholls 19
Frederick C Nicholls 17
Lydia J Nicholls 12
Ellen S Nicholls 10
John S Nicholls 13
Joseph Nicholls 7
Kate Nicholls 3
Sidney B P Nicholls 8 months
Thomas H Treloar 16 <<<<<<<<<<<<<


Amelia died in 1895. Cant find Philip or parents at the moment on 1901?

1901 England Census
about Mary Treloar
Name: Mary Treloar
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation: Stepdaughter
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Poplar, London, England

Civil parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Canning Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 75
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Rockett 37
Elizabeth Rockett 45
Mary Treloar 13
Edward Treloar 6


So the mother was with another man even though Bennet didnt die until the 20's

I think we need to work with fact and certificates rather than what people have said in the past. Your dad could have been told anything.....it doesnt make it fact

Have you got any certificates and have you thought about sending for the death certificate of Philip that I posted earlier?

Thank you all very much.The tree on ancestry if the one i have seen, as a lot wrong on it,so i really want to do my own research.It was ww11 that the boys came over. I wonder if Kew would hold any records? Annie

Easiest way to find anyone in the Canadian Expeditionary Forces in WWI:

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-100.01-e.php

Since you don't know the names of the sons, it seems, the only thing to do is look at each image (there are 11 Treloar-s in total) to see whether a next of kin you recognize is named, or a place of birth is familiar. [edit - I looked at them all, and none seem likely]

edit again - urgh, when you said "the war", did you mean WWII??

I don't see the people from mgnv's 1901 household in the 1911 census, except for Ferdinand, aged 38, in Vancouver, with wife Juliette and no kids.

http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/index.jsp

Sure it was Canada and not Australia?

There's a tree on Ancestry that has him marrying in Australia in 1907 to a Florence A Rosslyn .

Rose

Astra - sorry, but the 1898 voyage is for Percival, not Philip:

Drilling down at:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/index-e.html


http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/passengers-quebec-1865-1900/001082-100.01-e.php
WM 26, F 25, and P 22 - Farm Labs bound for Winnipeg - I have a bit of bother with the writing


Using links at: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-911.009-e.html

1901 Census of Canada Page Information
District: BC YALE & CARIBOO (#5)
Subdistrict: Yale (North/Nord) K-11 Page 3
4 22 Treloar William M M Head S Mar 20 1872 28
5 23 Treloar Ferdnand M Brother S May 7 1873 27
6 23 Treloar Percival M Brother S Oct 16 1876 24
7 24 Treloar Sidney E M Brother S Jun 1 1880 20
flag8 24 Ah Juins M Domestic S Jan 12 1835 65
flag9 24 Ah Juin M Domestic S Apr 10 1844 56
[flag8,flag9 are suggested corrections for 2nd name of the Chinese domestics to Jim]


If you check the image, one can see the 3 older bros immig in 1898 (Sid in 1900)
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z001/z000013891.pdf

Ginny yes Bennett is my line. Annie

Ginny he did not die.My dad as a small boy met 2 of his sons.They came over in the war in there canadian army uniform and stayed at there nan and grandads.Dad said they looked very smart. Annie

Heres his dads death

Deaths Dec 1920 (99%)
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TRELOAR Bennett W 67 W.Ham 4a 241

P Treloar
Gender: Male
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Date of Arrival: 30 Sep 1898
Vessel: Parisian
Search Ship Database: View the 'Parisian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec and Montreal, Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England; Londonderry, Ireland
Roll: C-4542

Travelling with a W Treloar and F Treloar

Annie

This could question your family hear say?


Deaths Jun 1893 (>99%)
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Treloar Philip 13 Whitechapel 1c 234

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Yes that is him. Annie

His family

1891 England Census
about Phillip J Treloar
Name: Phillip J Treloar
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Bennett W <<<<<Gurnsey
Mother's Name: Elizabeth M
Gender: Male
Where born: Iford, Essex, England

Civil parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address: 2 Beatrice St


Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Bennett W Treloar 38 <<<Gen labourer
Elizabeth M Treloar 34
Elizabeth M Treloar 15
Bennett W Treloar 13
Phillip J Treloar 11
Thomas H Treloar 5
Mary Treloar 3
Amelia Treloar 7/12
George Frost 31


x

Would this be his birth...it's a starting point if so

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Philip John Treloar
Name: Philip John Treloar
Year of Registration: 1879
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a
Page: 51 (click to see others on page)


x

My dads great uncle Philip Treloar was born abt 1880/1 in West Ham,He went to Canada at some time. My dad said that both his sons came ove here in the war and were in the Canadian army.We know nothing about this man or his family.Where would i start looking? Annie