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Can anyone look up a record of Joseph Bird, possibly from Saffron Waldon area. His son was James Bird born in Littlebury 1819. I don't have a birth date for Joseph or his wife's name. I would be eternally grateful if someone can fill this gap in my ancestry.

Many thanks
Richard

Richard


Questions for you


1. Which county is Saffron Walden in? Which county is Littlebury in?

2. Do you have either Joseph on a census? If so, could you please c&p the earliest one that you have?

3. What other information do you have on either of them??

4. Where have you looked for information?




sylvia

Here's his 2nd marriage:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about James Bird
Name: James Bird
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Spouse Name: Ann Want
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 Sep 1859
Parish: All Saints, Clapham Park
County: London
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: Joseph Bird
Spouse Father Name: William Want

Joseph was a labourer.

Rose

Saffron Walden is in Essex

Is this the James( parents) you are after...

1851
James Bird
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Charlotte
Gender: Male
Where born: Littlebury, Essex, England

Civil parish: Elsenham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Bishop Stortford
Sub-registration district: Sawbridgeworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 49
Household Members: Name Age
James Bird 32
Charlotte Bird 34
Eliza Bird 8
Sarah Ann Bird 6
Elizth Bird 4
Emily Bird 2


Regards Vera

This is James on 1851

1851 England Census
about James Bird
Name: James Bird
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Charlotte
Gender: Male
Where born: Littlebury, Essex, England

Civil parish: Elsenham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

Registration district: Bishop Stortford
Sub-registration district: Sawbridgeworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 49
Household Members: Name Age
James Bird 32
Charlotte Bird 34
Eliza Bird 8
Sarah Ann Bird 6
Elizth Bird 4
Emily Bird 2

1861
second marriage...
James Bird
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Littlebury, Essex, England

Civil parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Brixton
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 78
Household Members: Name Age
James Bird 42
Ann Bird 30
William Bird 10
Henry Bird 7
Margery A Bird 10 Mo
William Daniels 37


Regards Vera

1841 ????
Joseph Bird
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1804
Gender: Male
Where born: Essex, England

Civil parish: Littlebury
Hundred: Uttlesford
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Saffron Walden
Sub-registration district: Saffron Walden
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age

Joseph Bird 37 ag. lab.
Sarah Bird 43
Maryann Bird 7
James Gases 20

Refgards Vera

Hi Sylvia. I am only going on a marriage record that shows Joseph (labourer) as Jame's father but I have no other info on him. Joseph must have been born around 1800 or earlier as James, his son was born in 1819. Saffron Walden is in the UK, Essex. I don't know what County Littlebury is in. I will try to find out.
Many thanks
Richard

Yes this is the correct James

Hi Richard,

Found this.....
LITTLEBURY, a village and a parish in SaffronWalden district, Essex

Regards Vera

Many thanks Vera

Sarah Bird
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1798
Gender: Female
Where born: Essex, England

Civil parish: Littlebury
Hundred: Uttlesford
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

View image

Registration district: Saffron Walden
Sub-registration district: Saffron Walden
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Bird 37
Sarah Bird 43
Maryann Bird 7
James Gases 20

Joseph Bird agricultural labourer
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1804
Gender: Male
Where born: Essex, England


sorry didn't see that vera had aldready posted this, seems too young to be James' father though, maybe brother

This maybe him though two years out

Name: James Bird
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 18 Nov 1821
Baptism/Christening Place: Broomfield, Essex, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Joseph Bird
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Susan
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03392-0
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1702192
Reference Number:
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Thanks for that Gael will do some research

Hi Vera this could possibly be the Joseph I want as it seems to fit in the area where they all were but he would have only been 15 when he married Sarah but she was 21 so it could have been permitted. How would I confirm this?

What about this? Littlebury & Elmdon are only about 5 kms as the crow flies.

1841 England Census
Name: Joseph Bind
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: abt 1786
Gender: Male
Where born: Essex, England
Civil parish: Elmdon
Hundred: Uttlesford
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Woodman

Registration district: Saffron Walden
Sub-registration district: Saffron Walden
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Bind 55
James Dean 20
Susan Dean 20

1851 England Census
Name: Joseph Bird
Age: 66
Estimated birth year: abt 1785
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Elmdon, Essex, England
Civil parish: Elmdon
Ecclesiastical parish: Rochester
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address: Bridge Green

Occupation: Parish Alms formerly Woodman

Condition as to marriage: widowed

Registration district: Saffron Walden
Sub-registration district: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 142
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Bird 66
Elizebeth Harry 57 - Lodger
Timothy Harry 14



Unfortunately lots of Birds in that area.

Thanks Ozi. Yes many Birds in the area. Could be any one of them. I guess I need to look into the parish records so I can find a son James of Joseph. Would love to know who the wife of Joseph was as well. I have traced back to James and have a name Joseph on James marriage cert. It says father Joseph, labourer. Nothing else to go on.