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Since discovering that Priscilla Swales (b1861 Preston) married Martin Moran in America in 1882, I have been intrigued to know how they get there.
I have Martin in prison in Lancashire on 1881 census and the couple appear to be back in Preston for the birth of daughter Elizabeth in 1883.
Were they deported as convicts?
Did they stow away and then get shipped back home again?
These were poor people (hawkers) and it seems strange that they should simply travel to America to get married and then travel home again.
Please can someone with access to passenger lists do a look-up for me for 1881-82 UK to USA and then 82 -83 for return journey to see if it mentions deportation .

Would be much obliged.

Record :
Martin MORAN - (parents : Henry & Ann) 1860 England
Priscilla A. SWALES (parents : John & Elizabeth) 1861 England

Married 2 Nov 1882
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St. Joseph's Church, Ashton, Cumberland, Rhode Island.

nudge please

Michael

Is this her? What was her birth year?

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
about Priscilla Swales
Name: Priscilla Swales
Date of Trial: 30 Jun 1880
Trial Year: 1880
Location of Trial: Lancashire, England
Sentence: Imprisonment
Crime: See Image
Date of Execution or Release: See Image

Yes Ginny, she got 3 months I seem to remember. She was born 1861 [like it says in my opening post !!]
Martin Moran got 12 months - both for theft.

I cant see any record of them going overseas. If they stowed away and were caught, they would be mentioned on the ships trancscript

What makes you say they went to the States?

choccy found the marriage for me... see OP for record (Rhode Island).

Surely too much of a coincidence Priscilla having the same birthdate and parents John and Elizabeth

Where is that marriage that Choccy found for you. Looked at your other post..have I missed it?

Ginny - I'll paste it here for you save you scrolling to the top again !

Record :
Martin MORAN - (parents : Henry & Ann) 1860 England
Priscilla A. SWALES (parents : John & Elizabeth) 1861 England

Married 2 Nov 1882
.
St. Joseph's Church, Ashton, Cumberland, Rhode Island.

I must be going blind...was it at the top of this thread, the deleted post?

The record that you posted looks like its from IGI (cant get on there at the moment) was it a submitted record?

Nothing on Ancestry that I can see at the moment

The original post was a request to find the marriage.
Once Choccy found it I printed off all the info and then deleted the thread by accident.

This is choccy's post :
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Found their marriage -

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ussnei/StJosCumbMAR.htm


Some Irish Marriages at St. Joseph's Church, Ashton [Cumberland] RI, 1872 to 1900
(from the compilation by the American-French Genealogical Society, 1988)

St. Joseph's Church was started in 1872, having split off from St. Patrick's Church in Valley Falls. The congregation was mostly Irish and French-Canadian. The church is still open and is located on Rt. 122 in Cumberland. Only those individuals who could be identified to be of Irish heritage were abstracted from the published records, and this listing contains marriages up to 1900.


Martin MORAN Henry & Ann 1860 England
Priscilla A. SWALES John & Elizabeth 1861 England

2 Nov 1882

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I originally thought it was Cumberland UK until Choccy pointed out the R.I. was Rhode Island USA

When I 'googled' the names of the couple and the very same site came up

Cant comment on the validity of the site, but Choccys pretty good with her research

Still cant see anything on Ancestry and I dare say Choccy has looked too

You know you have Priscilla's birth as Preston 1861....I cant find that birth?

No, neither can I.
She appears on the 1881 census aged 20 with mother and stepfather Elizabeth & William Ireland.
Elizabeth was previously Swales and Morrison - nee Gordon.... long story !

There's also no birth for Martin that I can see?

Maybe they were from Ireland...many of the Irish professed to be 'English' for fear of being deported

I would take that marriage with some 'question' as it could well be a coincidence

You could check GRO Ireland

http://www.groireland.ie/

I believe Martin was Irish but Priscilla's mother and older sister were born Yorkshire.

Thanks for looking anyway

Priscilla's birth? From BVRI:

SWALES, Priscilla Christening
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 23 Jan 1881 Recorded in: Preston, Lancashire, England
Collection: Holy Trinity
Father: Richard SWALES
Mother: Nancy
Source: FHL Film 1470818 Dates: 1866 - 1900

Thanks MM but my this child is from another branch of the extended family. My Priscilla's parents were John and Elizabeth and she was a mother by 1882.

This is my Priscilla becoming a single mother.


Baptism: 22 Feb 1882 Holy Trinity, Preston, Lancashire, England
Mary Jane Swales - Child of Priscilla Swales, Single woman
Abode: 2 Jennet Street
Occupation: Factory Operative
Baptised by: R. Thistlethwaite

Just had another nosy around and cant seem to trace anything which may link him to overseas

There is another tree owner on Ancestry that has him and Priscilla....have you throught about contacting them

Tree owner

nicolahampton26


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Unfortunately my ancestry membership lapsed but I do remember trying to make contact with other members at the time and found that half of them never replied, the other half had their facts all wrong by simply copying other trees.... Priscilla Swales for example was down as Priscilla Ireland .

I still think it's too much of a coincidence that it's another couple listed as coming from England with the same names, same birth years and same parents names... plus the fact that no marriage is on either Fbmd or Lancsbmd.
I'd just love to know how they got there and why.