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thanks for that georgina

Hi Wendy,
There is a museum in Salford where a lot of historical information is housed. I've e-mailed them in the past with a query about an address in Salford and they were very helpful.
You might need to go onto Salford City Council's website.
Good luck,
Georgina

Wendy

Salford is part of Manchester, and you often see in censuses Manchester or Salford interchangeably for birth places.


Second, you possibly gave too much information

If for example, he said on the certificate that his occupation was greengrocer ............. the fact that you specified seller of fruit means that they would say it was wrong


If he said his name was Jack, and you said it was John ............ same thing


I almost NEVER give any more information than the name of the child, and the district

I say YES when asked if I have the GRO reference

Do not give the actual birthdate ....... what you have may well be wrong




I've only ever got ONE wrong certificate doing it this way.




So I suggest that you order again, using the very minimum of information.




sylvia

to michael and dea
the detailsof john white, i gave were

code No 8d 178 salford
and the date of birth 1/3/1889
and his father was john white too
and his father was a seller of fruit (1911)
they phone me back and said this wasnt the one.

so i wasnt sure that his mothers name was mary
so i left that off
vera has posted the right one as i think although i think it was fruit and flowers he sold as money was short in those days and with the seasons just selling one produce , i just see him selling both
i have a scan of his wedding cert
he marrys annie broadbent both aged 22
on
13 may 1911
annie is living where it state on the marrage cert -in the cencus 1911
but not john .thats were i find him on board a vessel...he states he was a flatman.
and his father john ..a fruit salesman
and thats it...was unsure where he was born but he dies in 1949..just 60

i did post on srurname and beginners..but i know now not to duplicate.sorry all
an like i say thats it just was to make sure..manchester as on the cencus i last find him
so many thanks .
for helping
wendyx

They would only say it was the wrong one if one of the details you specified did not match the details on the certificate.
What details did you ask them to check for you to know it was the wrong John ?
Was it simply the date of 1st March ?

Wendy,

You still haven't said whether Vera has posted the correct family and what else do you know about John and his family with which you were able to decide that the Salford one was not correct??

You MUST have more info than you have posted - If you would like us to try to help, PLEASE give us all the info you have.

Dea x

Thank you all for replying

the ---White John Salford 8d 178
is not the right one i sent off and they phoned me back to say
so back to square one
he lived in liverpool so i,ll try the other liverpool one first
its worh a try and the later of in dec 1889
but thanks all who ansered so much
and yes it looks as there is another marrage there
another problem for me to solve ...lol
again
many thanks

wendy...happy huntin all

The thing that strikes is that there are no births for John White in Lancashire in the March 1889 quarter.
Considering he was born on the 1st, it seems odd that he wasn't registered within the next 30 days.

Looking at the June quarter, the only possible is the Salford one you say is wrong.

Failing that ... perhaps he was born before his parents married so has a different surname than the one he grew up with.

Wendy, you need to confirm whether the census that Vera posted for 1891 is the correct family.
If so, note the age gap between John and his sister Mary Ann... another indiciation of a 2nd marriage.

You say that the certificate you sent for was the wrong one. What further information do you have that shows that it is the wrong one?
If his birth was 1st March 1889 then you have also:
Births Jun 1889
White John Salford 8d 178
White John James Liverpool 8b 84
White John William Wirral 8a 475
Is he definitely John White, or could he have been registered with a middle name?
Why did you think he was born in Liverpool, could it have been completely different?
Thanks.

n

1901
John White
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Manchester Oldham Road St Peter
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 39
Household Members: Name Age
William Murphy 46
Emily Murphy 44
Jane Williamson 24
Robert Moore 36
John White 40 Florist Gardener ? widower
John White 13


Regards Vera

Ref. 1911

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WHITE, John Crew Single M 22 1889 Mate Lancs Manchester VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22148 Reference:
RG14PN22148 RD453 SD1 ED32 SN41

Registration District:
Liverpool Sub District:
Scotland Enumeration District:
32 Parish:
Liverpool

Address:
North East Wharf Stanley Dock Liverpool County:
Lancashire

Regards Vera

Wendy,
Apparently Mancester reg. Dis. changed after 1924/1925 according to FreeBMD It become Manchester North and South.

Regards Vera

Found these two births
Births Sep 1888 (>99%)
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WHITE John Walton Manchester 8d 259

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Births Dec 1889 (>99%)
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White John Andrew Manchester 8d 224

REgards Vera

1891
???
John White
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: All Souls
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: Ancoats
ED, institution, or vessel: 51
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John White 31
Mary White 30
Mary Ann White 9
John White 3
Catherine Crossley 26 visitor
Grace Price 20 cousin


REgards Vera

i have been looking for a john white for years.
i finally found him 1911 as manchester lancashire
i know his birth day was 1-3 1889 from his marine discharge papers
but we always thought he was born in liverpool
so in 1911 as manchester
i saw salford
and sent off for cert but it isnt the right one
so what i,m asking is that was there any change in the area of manchester from 1889 to1911

john white 1889 manchester lancs
any help welcome