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Well...I have a group tomorrow and then.....quick shower at 5pm to meet


....all the inlaws coming up from Wales...love em to bits, cant wait


Think we might stay in the hotel, even if its around the corner...lazy bum!

night night everyone
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sleep tight
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did I catch a reference to moi there FBG?

I wanted something indeed! My grf's military records. I was waiting patiently for them because he stayed in the mlitary after WWI ... under a fake name ... so they aren't released yet. (No, not Hill/Monck -- this is my *father's* father with a fake name!) I idly searched Chelsea Pensioner records at FMP, and there he was.

Joined the Dragoon Guard at the age of 18 yrs 2 months in 1907. Except he was actually 15 yrs and a few months. And how exciting (and how in character) -- 18 months later he was discharged WITH IGNOMINY. He managed to get himself drummed out before he was even old enough to sign up! I doubt that there's any way to find out what he did, since it doesn't say.

But by 1911 census he was back in again, under his fake name, and in 1918 he got a battlefield commission. And then it was off to Ireland to do a few dastardly deeds before dragging my grmother off to the frozen west of Canada.

So FBG responded to my plea and got me those pre-1911 records from FMP and now I know why *that* ancestor shifted names!

and are you going to leave the rest of us hanging in suspense??????????

What, what?

He was discharged from the Dragoon Guards at the age of 17 WITH IGNOMINY! You mean what for? I don't know. :( There is no clue in the papers, just that he was sentenced to 84 days, it says nothing about what for or even where.

Birth registered in Q4 1891, I don't know the date, but enrolled in March 1907, so no more than 15 yrs 5 mo, said he was 18 yrs 2 mo.

Completed some kind of educational courses, first at Hounslow in 1907 (which seems to have been a Dragoons depot) then somewhere I can't read in March 1908, then in August 1908 he's tried and sentenced and discharged with ignominy (the worst kind -- and a bit of research found it only applied to enlisted men and not officers). Before his 17th birthday. Quite a guy!

Then before 1911 he signs right back up again, again with the Dragoon Guards! under a fake name, his middle name and his father's name. Which he keeps until he comes to Canada (although he married my grm in England under his real name).

I've heard back this week from a fellow grx2 grandchild of that grandfather's grandfather, straight male line like my brothers. His grandmother divorced his grandfather in that line because of his drinking, and his father was also an alcoholic although sober the last years of his life. My grandmother (both mine and his were lovely women) never left my grandfather. He died at 65 (in a hotel, with another woman), and my grandmother lived on another nearly 35 years. My dad deserved credit for bucking those genes, I think.

Living well is the best revenge and all that!

probably something like being naughty with a servant!



have you looked on the "new" familysearch site to see if he was baptised AND if they have that record?


www.familysearch.org/#form=advanced-records


I'm always amazed at what I've found on there.



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Well, I have his birth reg and have him in the 1901 census with his parents and sibs, and I've found his nephew the famous pianist in Australia (but can't figure out how to get in touch with him) ... and I did know him as a little kid. ;)

His eldest daughter, my wicked aunt Val the total hypochondriac (when my dad had head surgery for the subdural haematoma he got on the roller coaster and got writ up in the New England Journal of Medicine for, she went to her doctor and said she should get a hole drilled in her head too, she had headaches too) -- born in Ireland in 1920 -- she's the only one of 4 kids still living. I guess being a hypochondriac is good for your health!

But ... did you get drummed out of the Dragoon Guards for being naughty with a servant? I wouldn't have thought so!

I googled a bit. Saw someone getting ignominy for a theft conviction. And the Cdn Forces used to discharge gay men with ignominy. Nice. The one thing I'm pretty sure my grandfather wasn't, was gay.

lol!

you could be discharged with ignominy if you'd run away in battle, shown cowardice, etc ........ but I don't think there was a war going on at that point


I jsut thought Dragoon Guards ..... pretty stiff upper lip types ........ maidservants might be expected to beneath them


and if he got her pregnant???????



Rather amazing how those who claim to be ill all the time somehow live longer than their siblings!




it's pretty cold out here .......... -6C, windchill to -17C tonight

BTW, JC


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Yes, aren't they fun?

I wish them luck in applying them. ;)

I thought there were some interesting comments on FB re the new guidelines

Got a good roaring fire going this morning ...... it's a leeeeetle chilly

-8C forecast, windchill making it feel like -17C!



Breakfast


Tea, coffee, juice

Cold cereal:-
Weetabix, Multigrain Cheerios, AllBran, Almond Oatmeal Crisp, Muesli


Hot cereal:-
Porridge, Apple & Cinnamon Oatmeal


In the warmers:-
bacon, turkey sausages, grilled tomatoes, grilled mushrooms, Denver omelette, hash browns


Toast, bagels, Danish, crumpets


Jams, jellies, seville orange marmalade, Marmite




Have a good day




I'm just going to keep warm!



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OOhh - Back to the 'roaring fire' and the lovely breakfast then Sylvia?

Thank you SO much............. It's Yuuummmmmmmmm !

Dea x

Just enjoying the porridge thank you Sylvs. It's very grey here but we actually turned our central heating off yesterday for a while as it was so warm!


Haven't really looked at the new family search site yet Sylvs.....will get back to you if I get lost!



Usually Fridays are pretty restful for me but as daughter is on half term from work, it may be a different story....sigh.

Feeling really tired today as they pulled my arm around so much yesterday.
Took me a while to persuade them it was my left shoulder and elbow as xray request said right shoulder.
The registrar was very pleased with my progress but warned it might take even longer.

Oooooooooo,his baptism is on there JC.......in 1892....Right where it should be and gives mothers maiden name..!

My G GreatGrandad was in the Dragoon Guard...But such a common Irish name I cant find him on the records..

Some of Renes were in same reg...Pretty popular place to be it seems..

Is his mother's birth surname there a thing that Gabriel might own? ;)

His mother is the one whose great-grandmother's brother's grandson was the Viscount who wrote the judgment in the case that the real Janey Canuck's author took to the Privy Council to have women declared to be "persons" under the Canadian constitution.

I'm positive my grandfather had no clue (the Viscount was Lord Chancellor around the time my dad was born and I can only imagine how he would have dined out on that). He'd have had to be told that his own great-grandfather died in the workhouse. ;)


Were the Dragoon Guards a well-known hangout for ne'er do wells??

Were the Dragoon Guards a well-known hangout for ne'er do wells??

In your lots case it seems to have been..;)

Mine was killed fighting somewhere it would seem..But where I dont know,only that his wife turns up on census as a widow in 1891 and married to his brother ten yrs later on 1901..!

Is his mother's birth surname there a thing that Gabriel might own? ;)
Dont know about that,you lost me there,but no wings anyway,best have a looksee hadnt you???

Oi --- there Ms Canuck --

"Were the Dragoon Guards a well-known hangout for ne'er do wells"

My gt grandfather --- he who was a Tailor in the Dragoon Guards--- was the son of a wealthy Gloucestershire farmer -- I have you know


ne'er do wells --indeed


Renes

RHA so we have been told but not found any records to prove it....sigh

If people dont want to help rather than say go look for it ect......wish they would mind there own aghhhh

ja...x