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One of my ancestors, Arthur Collard LLOYD, was born around 1898 in Victoria, OZ. He signed up at the start of WW1 in Armadale, Victoria so I think he came from that area and he was working as a window dresser when he signed up. Is it possible to find out a birth or census return which might give some hints on how to get back any earlier? Many thanks in advance for any advice.
Louise

Australian census returns are destroyed as soon as the info has been extracted.

Name: Arth Collard Lloyd
Father's Name: Chas Wm Lloyd
Mother's Name: Alice Josine Benyon
Birth Place: Sy, Victoria
Registration Year: 1897
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 22771

Australian Electoral Roll

Parents 1909 ?

Name: Charles William Lloyd - Occupation, Carrier.
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1909
State: Victoria
District: Fawkner
Subdistrict: Armadale
Alice josephine, Home Duties.
763 High St, Armadale.

1914

Name: Charles William Collard Lloyd - Carrier.
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1914
State: Victoria
District: Balaclava
Subdistrict: Armadale
Alice Josephine Lloyd - Home Duties.
779 Hight St, Armadale.

Item details for: B2455, LLOYD ARTHUR COLLARD

Title LLOYD Arthur Collard : Service Number - 5407 :

Place of Birth - South Yarra VIC : Place of Enlistment - Prahran VIC :

Next of Kin - (Father) LLOYD C W C

Contents date range 1914 - 1920


Documents can be viewed here -

http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/Imagine.asp?B=8197748

Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1949
about Chas Wm Lloyd
Name: Chas Wm Lloyd
Spouse Name: Josine Alice Benyon
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1895
Registration Number: 246

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
You searched for Alice Josine Benyon Refine your search


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Lloyd 1903 S Y, Victoria Chas Wm Collard, Alice Josine
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Fredk Colin Lloyd 1920 Victoria Chas Wm Collard, Alice Josine
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Geo Pateman Lloyd 1907 Armadale, Victoria Chas Wh Collard, Alice Josine

- Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922
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Lloyd 1903 Chas Wm Collard, Alice Josine Sy, Victoria
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Arth Collard Lloyd 1897 Chas Wm, Alice Josine Sy, Victoria
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Ernt Wm Lloyd 1895 Chas Wm, Alice Josine Ardale, Victoria
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Walt Benyon Lloyd 1904 Chas Wm, Alice Josine Sy, Victoria

Hi Louise,

Birth of Arthurs' father

Surname: Lloyd
Given Names: Charles William
Event: Birth
Fathers Names: Charles Robert
Mothers Names: Sarah Ann Warne
Birthplace: Melb
Year: 1872
Reg No: 10424

death of above

Surname: Lloyd
Given Names: Charles William Collard
Event: Death
Fathers Name: Robert
Mothers Names: Sarah Ann Warne
Deathplace: Melb E
Age: 49
Year: 1923
Reg No: 2510

Surname: Lloyd
Given Names: Sarah Ann
Event: Death
Fathers Surname: Warne
Fathers Given Names: William
Mothers Name: Margaret Unk
Age: 38 yrs
Deathplace: Fitzroy Nth
Year: 1884
Reg No: 12214

Marriage of Charles' parents

Surname: Lloyd
Given Names: Charles Roburtus Collard
Event: Marriage
Spouses Surname: Warne
Spouses Given Names: Sarah Ann
Year: 1870
Reg No: 4406

on marriage record it states that Charles born in London, Sarah born Cardiff

Siblings of Charles William

Surname: Lloyd
Given Names: Edith Margaret
Event: Birth
Fathers Name: Charles Robert
Mothers Names: Sarah Ann Warne
Birthplace: Nth Fitzroy
Year: 1874
Reg No: 15816

Surname: Lloyd
Given Names: Arthur Warne
Event: Birth
Fathers Names: Charles Robert
Mothers Names: Sarah Ann Warne
Birthplace: Fitzroy Nth
Year: 1877
Reg No: 2587

Surname: Lloyd
Given Names: Ernest James
Event: Birth
Fathers Names: Charles Robert
Mothers Names: Sarah Ann Warne
Birthplace: Fitzroy
Year: 1881
Reg No: 23387

Surname: Lloy
Given Names: Edith Margaret
Event: Death
Fathers Names: Charles Roby
Mothers Names: Sarah Ann Warne
Age: 12 days
Deathplace: Fitzroy
Year: 1874
Reg No: 7645

Surname: Lloyd
Given Names: Arthur Warne
Event: Death
Fathers Names: Chas Collard
Mothers Names: Sarah Unk
Deathplace: Coburg
Age: 72 yrs
Year: 1949
Reg No: 5321

Possible death of Ernest????????
Surname: Lloyd
Given Names: Ernest Jas
Event: Death
Fathers Names: Unknown
Mothers Names: Unknown
Deathplace: Cheltenham
Age: 69 yrs
Year: 1951
Reg No: 6171

for your info only, notice parents surnames>>>>>>>>>>

Surname: Lloyd
Given Names: Henrietta Sarah Elizth
Event: Death
Fathers Names: Charles Lloyd
Mothers Names: Hetta Collard
Age: 63 yrs
Deathplace: Melbourne East
Year: 1905
Reg No: 6334


found this marriage on Free BDM

Marriage Sep 1842 (>99%) Newington 4 349

Collard Henreitta
m
Lloyd Charles

I wonder if this is Wm Chas' death...

The Argus, Thursday 25 January 1923
THEATRE EMPLOYEE WOUNDED.
Charles William Lloyd, aged 45 years, married, Sutherland Road, Armadale, was found wounded in a room near the manager's office, Armadale Picture theatre, High street, last night. Lloyd was a casual employee. When Mr Dudley Thompson, the manager, found him he was wounded in the right-side of his head, and had a revolver in his right hand. Thompson [should say Lloyd] was removed to the Alfred Hospital. His condition is critical. He has been out of regular work for a considerable time. The audience left the theatre ignorant of what had happened.

The Brisbane Courier, Friday 26 January 1923
PICTURE EMPLOYEE COMMITS SUICIDE.
MELBOURNE, January 25.
While a picture show was in progress at an Armadale theatre, Charles William Lloyd (45), casual employee at the plate went into the manager's office and shot himself. He died later. He was a married man with seven children.

(from http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home)


Yes the age is wrong in the paper but it was definitely him, how awful. This is the inquest:

Surname: LLOYD
Given Names: Charles William Collard
Year: 1923
Reference: 147
Cause: Suicide gunshot
Inq Date: 1923-2-13

A few more deaths

Surname: Lloyd
Given Names: Charles Robertus Cullard
Event: Death
Fathers Name: Chas
Mothers Names: Henrietta Cullard
Age: 74
Deathplace: Adale
Year: 1909
Reg No: 7109

Surname: Lloyd
Names: Bernard Fran
Event: Death
Fathers Names: Chas
Mothers Names: Hetta Collard
Age: 54 yrs
Deathplace: Sth Yarra
Year: 1901
Reg No: 3686

Omg, his wife Alice Josine (Arthur's mother) died in Armadale the following year - 1924 - aged 53! Her parents are both shown as 'unknown'; the 1895 marriage reg gives her birthplace as London.

Those poor children, even the ones who were adult age at the time.

Here they are in order:
1. Ernest Wm b. 1895 Armadale, d. 1898 South Yarra aged 2
2. Arthur Collard b. 1897 South Yarra (reg 22771)
3. Chas Francis b. 1899 South Yarra, d. 1916 Melb East aged 16
4. Unnamed male b. 1903 South Yarra, d. 1903 days old
5. Walt Benyon b. 1904 South Yarra, m. Catherine Emma WILLIAMS 1929
6. Geo Pateman b. 1907 Armadale, d. 1918 Melb East aged 11
7. Alice Muriel Collard b. 1910 Armadale, ?m. Harry UNSWORTH 1936
8. Hilda Margaret b. 1912 Armadale, m. Fredk Victor THOMAS 1933
9. Frederick Colin b. 1917 Armadale, d. 1920 Armdale aged 2

Oh dear so many children dying, no wonder the poor man was depressed. And out of regular work to support his family too.

I think this is most likely her arrival, unassisted and travelling alone:
BENYON ALICE [age] 23 [arr] JUN 1894 [ship] AUSTRAL B 585 005

Alice's birth? Also reg as PATEMAN...

Births Jun 1872 (>99%)
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BENYON Alice Josephine B Shoreditch 1c 83


Just made the connection - given son George has middle name Pateman this has to be her, surely!!!

Here's an article about the death of Chas jnr, he tragically drowned:

The Argus, Monday 14 February 1916
DROWNING ACCIDENTS.
TRAGEDY AT MORDIALLOC.
TWO YOUTHS PERISH.
Mordialloc beach was the scene of a double drowning accident yesterday afternoon, the victims being Clarence Dwan, 12 years of age, living in Northcote road, Armadale, and Charles Lloyd, 17 years of age, of High street, Armadale. Two of their companions, Douglas and Robert Norman, of Clarendon street, Malvern, had a narrow escape from death being rescued from the water only when they were thoroughly exhausted.
The four lads journeyed yesterday afternoon from Armadale to Mordialloc, arriving at about half-past 2 o'clock. They immediately went in to bathe and shortly afterwards Douglas Norman noticed that Lloyd, who had gone beyond his depth, was in difficulties. Norman at once went to his friend's assistance, but was unable to give much aid owing to the strong under tow, which a little later brought Robert Norman into trouble. Douglas Norman managed to take his brother to some rocks, where he held him above the water until both were rescued by Ernest Mitchell, of Fitzroy street, Fitzroy, and a companion, Lems Henn.
By this time Dwan and Lloyd had disappeared, and some time elapsed before their bodies could he located and brought ashore. Life was then pronounced extinct by Dr. Grindrod. who had been summoned to the beach, and the bodies were removed by Constable Murray to the Morgue, where an inquest will be held.

The inquest gave 'accident drowned' as cause of death.

The Argus, Tuesday 15 February 1916
LLOYD.—On the 13th February (accidentally drowned), Charles Francis, second eldest son of Charles W. and Alice Lloyd, 779 High street, Armadale, aged 16 years.

There is also an inquest for the death of George 'Tateman' LLOYD in 1918, cause of death 'injury motorcar'. Perhaps he was struck by a car? :-(

Wow! I knew Arthur had a sister in Oz (his niece came over to the UK once and I met her when I was a teenager) but I didn't know anything of the above had happened at all. I'm flabbergasted! Is the inquest for George Pateman Lloyd 1918 online anywhere? I've been to the newspaper site kindly suggested above but can't seem to find it. I can't belive how unlucky this branch of the family is...
Thanks so much folks!

Hi Louise
The inquest info came from a CD so you won't find that in the papers. But the stuff about his father's suicide is there.
I believe you can view inquests at the archives office, maybe someone at www.raogk.org can help if they can get there in person (I can't sorry, I'm in WA!)
It is fascinating stuff, if quite tragic really. How is/was Arthur related to you?

Arthur was my uncle's step father and my family used to stay with him and his wife in Torbay area of UK every year when we were young. He passed away shortly after I finished uni. He never lost his Aussie accent!