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I can find whom I believe to be my grandfather SAMUEL BIRD born around Manchester circa 1890, his father was called Edwin and mother Joanna (or Johanna or even Johannah). I can trace them in the 1891, 1901 amd 1911 census reports, but cannot find any marriage or birth records in BMD so that I can obtain certificates.

Can anyone throw any light why and where I should start looking next please?

Have you found any possible marriage for the father?

Samuel might have been born before the marriage

Is this coreect family?

1901 England Census
about Samuel Bird
Name: Samuel Bird
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edwin
Mother's Name: Joanna
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Harpurhey
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Prestwich
Sub-registration district: Blackley
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 277
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Bird 42
Joanna Bird 40
Samuel Bird 14
Harry Bird 7
Margaret Bird 6
Annie Bird 4
Joseph Bird 2
George Bird 2 months



Andy

could this be samuel's parents marriage??.

Marriage: 28 Apr 1890 St Laurence, Chorley, Lancashire, England
Edwin Burd - 31 Machine Sawyer Widower of 172 Hamilton Street Manchester
Johanna Jolly - 29 Housekeeper Spinster of 122 Clifford Street Chorley
Groom's Father: Samuel Burd, (deceased), Timber Feller
Bride's Father: Henry Jolly, (deceased), Tailor
Witness: James W Hargreaves; Alice Forman
Married by Banns by: Thomas Lund Vicar of St Peters Chorley
Register: Marriages 1880 - 1900, Page 100, Entry 200
Source: LDS Film 1517687


richard

None at all, I have searched a few years before and after Samuel was born for a marriage, but nothing. I can't find a marriage between Edwin and Joanna, nor a birth record for Samuel, this is after searching 15 years either way.

Does anyone know if the BMD records are not yet complete for around 1890 for births and marriages, because if they were, i would have expected to at least found some record?

Hi Andy and Richard

yes you both have what I believe to be the correct family, but I cannot find the details (district, vol and page number) to obtain copy birth and marriage certificates.

Any ideas?

marriage info i gave fits with the cencus andrew has given.

edit-The marriage given is all the same detail as a marriage cert

richard

Hi Joseph

Thanks but this isn't him, I ve copy a copy of this birth certificate.

Hi again Richard

Thanks for your further reply, that does show more detail, but you have spelled the surname BURD nor BIRD. How was the original entry spelt where you obtained those details from?

This might be birth of youngest son George. Correct age and registraion area.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1901 (>99%)
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Bird George Prestwich 8d 424


Andy

1891 England Census
about Edwin Bird
Name: Edwin Bird
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Son
Spouse's name: Johanna
Mother's Name: Susan
Gender: Male
Where born: Halford, Shropshire, England

Civil parish: Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Albert Memorial
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address

Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 15b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Susan Bird 67
Edwin Bird 32
Johanna Bird 28
<<<<<Samuel Bird 6 mths nephew to head

Christine

This is the ref for the marriage found below

Marriages Jun 1890 (>99%)


BURD Edwin Chorley 8e 773

JOLLY Johanna Chorley 8e 773

surnames are easily mispelt.

Found marriage details on-www.lan-opc.org.uk/


richard

Births Dec 1890 (>99%)

Burd Samuel Manchester 8d 272

Always best to use phonetic search if you're having problems.

Christine

Bird Margaret Sarah Prestwich 8d 467 1885
Is This one of the children??

Hey thanks to all who replied this has given me hope now of finding my grandfather etc. I never though of mis-spellings or even trying a phonetic search.

Thanks again and I'll post a note to confirm if and when I do find him,

Pete

Peter, the first thing that worries is me is that you only BELIEVE that your grandfather is Samuel Bird. Please tell me that you didn't mean to say that, but that you KNOW he is Samuel Bird, at least as far as it is possible to know. Otherwise we are going up the wrong tree.

So, is that the right family on the 1901 census? If so, he was born in 1887, no - the transcription is wrong, he is aged 10. Joanna is born Chorley, so that marriage that Richard found seems good:

Marriages Jun 1890 (>99%)
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BURD Edwin Chorley 8e 773
JOLLY Johanna Chorley 8e 773

There is a birth of Samuel Burd, Manchester, Dec 1890, 8d/272.

Hi Madmeg

The reason I said I believe, is that I assume the Samuel Bird I had found in the Census reports was my grandfather. I know for a fact that my Grandfather was called Samuel Bird, my problem was confirming which of the Samuel Bird's I found was the correct one.

Thanks to all that responded to my cry for help, it looks like I may have found the correct one!

Pete

Peter, do you have your grandfather's marriage cert, to confirm his father's name?

Hi Potty

Yes I do have my grandparents marriage certificate that does confirm my grandfathers name. It also shows his army service number, but I drew a blank searching those records as well. It also shows my grandfathers father's name and occupation that is in line with what I traced and what has been shown on this thread.

Thanks for your post.

Pete