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I am researching Eliza Griffiths nee Simpson. I am pretty sure she was born 1838 Derby. Christening 16.7.1838 St Johns. Parents Andrew & Mary. She married a John Alexander Griffiths who was born in Birmingham about 1831. This info is from children's death certificates in Aus. The only marriage I can find is
Eliza Simpson age 19 spinster 52 Bristol St - father Andrew Simpson a Tailor to John Clarke age 26 Merchants Clerk - 22 Hanley St - father James Clarke Carpenter. 1856 St Lukes Church Parish of Birmingham Warwick. Can anyone find another marriage seems strange that they changed their name to Griffiths when they came to Aus. Also if Clarke was their name can anyone find them on 1841 or 1851 census or any info on their parents.
Many thanks
Vicki

Hi Vicki,

I've been trying to see if Eliza had married someone before she married John. I thought I found one in 1829 but she had a different father and was a widow.

If I come up with anything I'll let you know

Gael

So she was definately born a Simpson?

Hi Gael yes her daughter's birth cert has her Mother as Eliza Simpson born Derby England
Cheers
Vicki

Okay -

I haven't found anything else.

Have you asked for Census look-ups?

Gael

No
How do I do that? I thought this would do it too?
Thanks & Cheers
Vicki

1841..

Eliza Simpson
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Gender: Female
Where born: Derbyshire, England

Civil parish: Stapenhill
Hundred: Repton and Gresley
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address: Newhall?

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Burton upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Greasley
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Andrew Simpson 35 ...Tailor
Mary Simpson 30
Ann Simpson 11
Andrew Simpson 9
Hannah Simpson 7
Mary Simpson 5
Eliza Simpson 3

All born in county


nicky

What year did they got to Australia?



Nicky

1851..

Elvia Simpson
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Andrew
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Newhall, Derbyshire, England

Civil parish: Newhall
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Burton Upon Trent
Sub-registration district: Tutbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 13b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 94
Household Members: Name Age
Andrew Simpson 44 Tailor born Longton Staffs.
Mary Simpson 40 born Swannington Leicestershire
Andrew Simpson 19 Tailors apprentice
Elvia Simpson 12 image says Eliza
Moses Simpson 9
Amos Simpson 16
Arthur Simpson 5
Jabez Simpson 2


Nicky

1861..

Mary Simpson
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Swanington, Leicestershire, England

Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Thomas
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 62
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Simpson 50 widow.....Boot Binder
Ann Simpson 31
Amos Simpson 16
Arthur Simpson 15
Jabez Simpson 12
Clair Simpson 8 ... is a male ..Elan?

Can not find John Clarke with father James whos a Carpenter in either 1841 or 1851.

nicky

Wonder who this is? a year after Eliza Simpsons marriage to John Clarke and in the same area.

Deaths Sep 1857 (>99%)
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Clarke John Alexander Birmingham 6d 35


who were the witnesses on Eliza and Johns marriage cert.?



Nicky

Found this one in 1881....

Hes old enough to be Johns father, will try and find him in earlier census`s..

James CLARKE Mar (Head) M Male 78 St Michaels, Hertford, England Formerly Carpenter
Caroline D. CLARKE Mar M Female 76 Flamstead, Hertford, England Laundress


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Source Information:
Dwelling Cottage
Census Place Flamstead, Hertford, England
Family History Library Film 1341350
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1445 / 60
Page Number 20

Just looked at image on ancestry...it looks like his age is 48.....!!

Nicky

found another in 1881...off to find him earleir..

James CLARK Head W Male 76 Ashdown, Essex, England Carpenter
Edwin SCRUBY Son In Law M Male 33 Aden, Essex, England Coal Porter (Heaver)


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Source Information:
Dwelling 31 Skidmore St
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341106
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0481 / 40
Page Number 12



nicky

here he is in 1871..

James Clark
Age: 65
Estimated birth year: abt 1806
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Essex, England
Civil parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: St Benet
Town: Mile End Old Town
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Household schedule number: 107
Household Members: Name Age
James Clark 65 Carpenter
Elizabeth Clark 24 daughter
Frederick Brown 24 ..Visitor
Eliza Brown 21 Visitor
Rose Brown 3 months Visitor


Nicky

Wow Nicky you are a gem. Their first registered child was born 1862 in Tumut NSW but a possible child was born 1859, Clarence, no record of his birth but he appears on John's death cert. Could have been born in Engalnd. I have looked up my access to shipping but can't find them either as Clarke or Griffiths.
Cheers
& thanks Nicky

I`m just hoping that i may find this James in 1851 with son John a Merchants clerk or something similar.

Afraid it got way past my bedtime to keep searching.....there are hundreds of James Clarkes,but not many who were Carpenters.

Do you have the witness`s names from their marriage cert.?

There is a public tree on Ancestry with this family, they have the same marriage as you down Eliza Simpson to John Clarke, who then appears to change in to John Alexander Griffiths.



The only reasonable explanation I can come up with for this is that John Clarkes father died, and his mother remarried and became a Griffiths and he took on that name.

If that is the case, I`m wasting my time checking all the James Clarkes who are Carpenters on the 1881 census, and then trying to find them earlier.....I chose that one as the 1881 on Familysearch is very quick to check through...I find ancestry quite slow....


Well I will keep looking for you,as i hate being beaten by a mystery.


Nicky

Hi Nicky
I will look up that tree on Genes. Witnesses to the marriage were James & Elizabeth Clarke.
Thanks again
Vicki

Sorry Nicky.. realised you meant Ancestry.
Cheers
Vicki