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Hi everyone. First can I apologise for the slow response. I was not expecting such quick replies. I am more used to days rather than minutes from sites like Freecycle etc.....
And thanks for all the quality information. I am following up the name Cuberus(c)h, shame about Adupah though, I can account for an Archibald!
Anyway, my thanks again, I will return with the results.

Bert B

Just a thought, 'Cuba' would have been about the right age for military service.

I can't see him on Ancestry records.

Further info from Albert -


' I have just adjusted my eyes and saw the census address. They were still there in 1916 when Great Granma needed a permit to get on and off Sheppey. Furzefield cottages seem to have disappeared. Bertram was sent to his Grand parents as soon as he was born. Gran continued in service around the SE and had 3 more children, all by 'Brocks' but no more by 'Cuba"!'

Is this Barnlands Farm -


1911 -

26 BEAL, James Head Married M 38 1873 Farmer Minster Kent VIEW
26 BEAL, Edith E Wife Married
12 years F 34 1877 Eastchurch Kent VIEW
26 BEAL, Cyril Son M 11 1900 School Minster Kent VIEW
26 BEAL, Vera Daughter F 9 1902 Minster Kent VIEW
26 BEAL, Avery Son M 5 1906 Eastchurch Kent VIEW
26 BEAL, Hilda Daughter F 3 1908 Eastchurch Kent VIEW
26 HOLDSTOCK, Lilian Servant Single F 16 1895 General Servant Domestic Luton Kent VIEW
26 FITTALL, Alfred Servant Single M 48 1863 Shepherd West Longdon Kent VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
4472 Reference:
RG14PN4472 RG78PN183 RD62 SD2 ED3 SN26

Registration District:
Sheppey Sub District:
Eastchurch Enumeration District:
3 Parish:
Eastchurch

Address:
Barnlands Eastchurch Sheppey County:
Kent

PM received from Albert -



'Thanks for your information. I wonder if the 1911 census has the name of the farm they were at? They worked Rayham Farm and Barnlands Farm and they are both still there and Barnlands is still owned by the same family'




Albert, who is supposed to be living/working at Rayham Farm and Barnlands Farm ?

Thanks everyone. All the information at the moment I already have, I tried to be brief! I have the marriage cert and they were married Sept 2nd 1908. Fathers name is James William Brock. Unfortunately his occupation was Independant Means. Both their ages are given as 21 which is not strictly true, certainly of Gran. I never thought of Cuberuch or other derivation but on the MC he has signed just Cuba, with that spelling. The witnesses are Jessie and Geo Silsby. Anything else I can add?
Bert
Looking again at Cuberush A Brock it could be my man but if the A was for Archibald it would be a cert. My Mother's father was an Archibald Brock in 1916. If Cuba was CUBER he would have been 18 at his marriage and not 21 as stated but that would not surprise me. Gran seems to have put it about! The other 2 children had a George Brock for a father.
Bert

1911 census search for Brock born in Portslade Sussex born abt 1880 came back with

Address: 12 Harwood Road Fulham S W

BROCKS, Bertram Nikola Head Married M 31 1880 Hotel Chef born Sussex Portslade
BROCKS, Florence Wife Married F 28 1883 Norfolk Norwick


Would be nice to have some input from Albert

Nice find there Choccy!

Can also find sons marriage in 1935 and death in 1982.

Ansy

REED, Percy Walter Head Single M 35 1876 Architect's Assistant Beckenham Kent VIEW
REED, Edith Margaret Sister Single F 34 1877 School Mistress Beckenham Kent VIEW
BROCK, Eunice Mary Servant Married
2 years F 23 1888 General Servant Cheam Surrey VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
3667 Reference:
RG14PN3667 RG78PN138 RD42 SD2 ED14 SN39

Registration District:
Bromley Sub District:
Beckenham Enumeration District:
14 Parish:
Beckenham

Address:
79 Cedars Road Beckenham County:
Kent

Son Cuba Bertram is with his grandparents in 1911 -


NORMAN, George Head Married
24 years M 53 1858 Stockman On Farm Surrey Cheam VIEW
NORMAN, Mary Wife Married F 46 1865 Kent Sheerness VIEW
NORMAN, Ernest Son Single M 16 1895 Apprentice Kent Bearsted VIEW
NORMAN, Thomas Son M 13 1898 School Kent Boxley VIEW
NORMAN, William Son M 11 1900 School Kent Bearsted VIEW
BROCK, Bertram Grandson M 2 1909 Sussex Brighton VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
4472 Reference:
RG14PN4472 RG78PN183 RD62 SD2 ED3 SN23

Registration District:
Sheppey Sub District:
Eastchurch Enumeration District:
3 Parish:
Eastchurch

Address:
Furge Field Cottages Eastchurch Sheppey County:
Kent

Possible marriage

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1908 (>99%)
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BROCK Cuba Steyning 2b 657
NORMAN Eunice Mary A Steyning 2b 657

and son

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Dec 1908 (>99%)
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Brock Cuba Bertram N Steyning 2b 235




and possibly Eunice from 1911, but no Cuba or son

HOUSEHOLD BROCK EUNICE MARY F 1888 23 Bromley Kent

and her death

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Eunice M A Brock
Name: Eunice M A Brock
Death Registration Month/Year: 1956
Age at death (estimated): 68
Registration district: Croydon
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 5g
Page: 164

Andy

Deaths

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Deaths Sep 1901 (>99%)
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Brock Kate Ellen 47 Steyning 2b 173


Deaths Mar 1905 (>99%)
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McKNIGHT Elizabeth S 80 Steyning 2b 207


i wonder what the relationship was as they move around together

Andy

Birth Index

Name: Cuberush Adupah Brock
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Steyning
County: Sussex
Volume: 2b

Cuberush A. is 8 months old on the 1891 census, born Portslade by Sea. with mother, Kate. They're boarders with Elizabeth S. MacKnight, single, 66, born Scotland. They're in Tranmere, Cheshire.

1891

1891 England Census
about Cuberush A Brock
Name: Cuberush A Brock
Age: 8/12
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Portslade By Sea, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Tranmere
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Tranmere
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth S Macknight 66
Kate H Brock 37
Cuberush A Brock 8/12



Andy

Cuberush A. is age 10. a boarder on the 1901 census in Portslade by Sea, Sussex. Says born Southern Cross?, Sussex, living on own means. Kate was born Aintree, Lancashire.

1901 census

1901 England Census
about Cuberuch A Brock
Name: Cuberuch A Brock
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Southern Cross, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Portslade By Sea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Steyning
Sub-registration district: Shoreham
ED, institution, or vessel: 55
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 43
Household Members: Name Age
James Wood 70
Bertram Wood 23
Sarah Sandalls 54
Harry Carpenter 38
Joseph Alleweld 36
Elizabeth McKnight 76
Kate Brock 47 Single, boarder, living on own means born Aintree Liverpool
>>>>Cuberuch A Brock 10
Edward Stephens 55
Thomas Stephens 60
William Threadgold 64


Andy

Do you have the marriage certificate? Does it give father's name?

Possible??

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Births Sep 1890 (>99%)
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Brock Cuberush Adupah Steyning 2b 238


Andy

Hi all. I'm looking for any references to my Grandfather, Cuba Brock. Born about 1888 he only appears when he marries my Grandmother in 1908. He was a waiter at the Dormans Park Hotel at that time. I can find no mention of him anywhere else. No birth or death record and nothing in the emigration records. He may have had brothers George and/or Archibald. Thanks, Bert