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Rosemary

Rosemary Report 21 Aug 2010 18:45

Hi My grandad Albert James Clark's first wife Emily Elizabeth wood vanishes after the 1901 census and he marries my Gran in about 1905. I have been through the death records and can find no sign of her.

Emily Elizabeth Woods
Birth JUN 1880 in Guildford, Wormley Hill, Surrey, England,
She was married to Albert James Clark b 1875 in Farnham Surrey, they lived in Wrecclesham Farnham with henry woods Emily's Father.

My mum told me her Gran said Albert had been married before and had to marry his second wife (her daughter) becasue she was pregnant. She also told mum that his first wife died in childbirth.

Now either gramps was a naugthy boy and married bigamously or Emily died or they divorced. I can find no evidence of either. Henry wood died in Clapham in 1812. Can anyone point me in the right direction to solve the mystery.

Julie

Julie Report 21 Aug 2010 18:51

Where were they living in the 1901 as you don't say

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 21 Aug 2010 18:55

These are quite co-incidental (thinking of the dying in childbirth angle) but too different a name:

Deaths Dec 1902 (>99%)
Clark Emily 0 Farnham 2a 91
Deaths Mar 1904
Clark Emily Louisa 2_ Farnham 2a 109

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 21 Aug 2010 18:56

Are you 100% sure of her name?

Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%)
Clark Albert James Farnham 2a 258
Woods Emily Louis Farnham 2a 258
WOODS Emily Louisa Farnham 2a 258

Gee

Gee Report 21 Aug 2010 18:58

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Emily Elizabeth Woods
Name: Emily Elizabeth Woods
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Guildford
County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 80 (click to see others on page)



Edit; Cant see a marriage other than what Jan has posted...maybe she messed with her name?

LondonBelle

LondonBelle Report 21 Aug 2010 19:09

Looked at the image of the death that brummiejan has given above
Deaths Mar 1904
Clark Emily Louisa 2_ Farnham 2a 109

The above Emily was in her 20s when she died .... it looks like age was 23. The age would then fit in with the birth given.

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 21 Aug 2010 19:12

Just to complicate matters!!

Births Sep 1878 (>99%)
WOODS Emily Louisa Farnham 2a 118




brummiejan

brummiejan Report 21 Aug 2010 19:13

I'm just not seeing how you know her middle name:

1901 England Census

Name: Emily Clark
[Emily Woods]
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Spouse's name: Albert
Father's Name: Henry
Gender: Female
Where born: Farnham, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Farnham
Ecclesiastical parish: Wrecclesham St Peter
Town: Wrecclesham
County/Island: Surrey

Registration district: Farnham
Sub-registration district: Frensham

Henry Woods 56
Emily Clark 22
Albert Clark 26

tempest

tempest Report 21 Aug 2010 19:14

1911 census

Address: Wrecclesham Farnham


Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original


CLARK, Albert James Head Married M 36 1875 Labourer Grand Bigger Surrey Farnham
CLARK, Alice Wife Married 6 years F 24 1887 Surrey Farnham
CLARK, Albert John Son Single M 5 1906 School Surrey Farnham
CLARK, Alice May Daughter Single F 4 1907 Surrey Farnham
CLARK, Edward Owen Son Single M 3 1908 Surrey Farnham
CLARK, Henry William Son Single M 0 (5 MONTHS) 1911 Surrey Farnham

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 21 Aug 2010 19:15

There are 2 Emily Woods born Farnham in the 1891 census - might you have assumed it was the wrong one? I think it likely yours is Emily Louisa not Emily Elizabeth.


1891 England Census

Name: Emily Woods
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Caroline
Gender: Female
Where born: Farnham, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Farnham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Wrecclesham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: Farnham
Sub-registration district: Farnham

Henry Woods 46
Caroline Woods 40
Emily Woods 12

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 21 Aug 2010 19:16

The other one!

1891 England Census

Name: Emily Woods
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Farnham, Essex, England

Civil parish: Farnham
Ecclesiastical parish: Farnham
Town: Farnham
County/Island: Essex

Registration district: Bishop Stortford
Sub-registration district: Bishop Stortford

John Woods 39
Ann Woods 39
Emily Woods 11
Annie Woods 9
Isabella Woods 6
Edith Woods 3


LondonBelle

LondonBelle Report 21 Aug 2010 19:22

For ref.....Albert's 2nd marriage

Marriages Jun 1905
Clark Albert James Farnham 2a 274
HACK Alice Farnham 2a 274

tempest

tempest Report 21 Aug 2010 19:28

possibly eldest son's birth

about Albert John Clark
Name: Albert John Clark
Year of Registration: 1905
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Farnham
County: Hampshire, Surrey, Sussex
Volume: 2a
Page: 163

Gee

Gee Report 21 Aug 2010 19:28

Ha....and another


1891 England Census
about Emily E Woods
Name: Emily E Woods
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William H
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Female
Where born: Wormley; Hill; Godalming, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Godalming
Ecclesiastical parish: Godalming
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England




Registration district: Guildford
Sub-registration district: Godalming
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William H Woods 45
Ellen Woods 43
Ellen M Woods 14
Emily E Woods 11
Clara A Woods 8
Kathleen Woods 5


Rosemary

Rosemary Report 21 Aug 2010 19:28

Ahhh so much help... wow. I think I have the wrong person and Emily Lousa must be the rigth one. I do know that Grandad lived with father in law Henry Wood. in 1901 census in Wrecclesham. Was Emily L's ather Henry. I think I got the Elizabeth from an earlier census, I am now more confused.

I don't think I am very good at this gene hunting thing, i just get confused.

great Gran also said that when emily died it was giving birth to twins and that Bert had already got her daughter Alice pregnant at the same time.

Gee

Gee Report 21 Aug 2010 19:31

You need to start with facts that you have and then work backwards....buying certificates to verify

Can you delete your email address to protect your identity

x

tempest

tempest Report 21 Aug 2010 19:33

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Elsie Clark
Name: Elsie Clark
Year of Registration: 1913
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's Maiden Name: Hack
District: Farnham
County: Hampshire, Surrey, Sussex
Volume: 2a
Page: 310

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Kate Clark
Name: Kate Clark
Year of Registration: 1915
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's Maiden Name: Hack
District: Farnham
County: Hampshire, Surrey, Sussex
Volume: 2a
Page: 277

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Dorothy L D Clark
Name: Dorothy L D Clark
Year of Registration: 1911
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's Maiden Name: Hack
District: Epsom
County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 11


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Kathleen E Clark
Name: Kathleen E Clark
Year of Registration: 1913
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's Maiden Name: Hack
District: Epsom
County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 25

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 21 Aug 2010 19:44

The twins I suspect:

Births Mar 1902 (>99%)
CLARK Albert Henry Farnham 2a 143
Clark Percy George Farnham 2a 143

Deaths Mar 1902 (>99%)
Clark Percy George 0 Farnham 2a 104
Clark Albert Henry 0 Farnham 2a 105

That must surely be her death found before. How tragic.

Jan

tempest

tempest Report 21 Aug 2010 19:45

sorry just checking....

you've been told that Albert James Clark married his own step daughter?

first wife we have been looking at Emily was born abt 1879

second wife Alice on the 1911 census was born abt 1887

Rosemary

Rosemary Report 21 Aug 2010 20:08

Thanks folks... I think it must have been Emily Louisa.... how tragic, and my granddad was perhaps not the most nobel of men. His first wife was described as a invalid who could not satisfy him. I suspect she lived when the twins died, but either then died 2 years later in pregnancy as gran said or just plain died. I will send off for her death cert.

My great gran hated her son in law, but gran adored him, as did my mum. I know most of thier kids, Elsie died as did a couple of others. Life was hard back then.