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Thank you Mad meg. have got marriage and birth certs on order.Mother in law wanted them. She wants to know the facts. Thank you.m

Do you not want to go any further back, Mandy? Cos that marriage cert I suggested would be the next stage.

you're very welcome Mandy


Glad the m-i-l is happy!



sylvia

You're welcome Mandy

jax

Everyone on here is amazing. I have all info I need now. Even the mother in law was happy. Thank you.m

Thank you sylvialncanada I have copied the information you gave me and shall put it to good use. I love this I can show my Mother in law who her parent and grandparents were. She really has no idea.

well, the birth registration is for June 1913!


There are 3 births showing for Knowles mmn Tadd babies

Births Jun 1913 (>99%)

Knowles Maurice H Tadd Bradford-on-A. 5a 238


Births Sep 1916 (>99%)

Knowles Doris V E Tadd Bradford-on-A. 5a 202


Births Mar 1919 (>99%)

Knowles Barbara M Tadd Bradford on A. 5a 147




The certificates will cost £9.25 each

Buy them ONLY from GRO

www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

You have to register, but it is free.


Some but not all Register Offices will also send certificates ....... but you also have to pay postage and handling on top of the £9.25 ............. unless you can get to the actual office.



Never ever buy the certificates from any other site, including ancestry, or GR, etc



you will end up paying much more!




sylvia

Knowles. Have just had a chat with my mother in law. She says that Maurice Herbert was born in 1914..I asked her if she had any other info. She thinks all family paperwork was thrown away when her older sister died...Nobody cares about the grandparents..In order to find out I am going to have to buy some certs. Thank you everyone who has helped me with the knowles mystery. You all Rock..M

Well, Jaz, when I started reading through again I wondered if I was nit-picking about that date, and Lo and Behold perhaps I wasn't.

Mandylou, just a word of caution, you say the only solid fact you have is ... Maurice's dob 7/5/1913 - but unless you have his birth certificate even that is not a solid fact, but the date that was put on his death record, by whoever registered the death - and if that was your mother-in-law it sounds as though her memory was not that reliable!

Okay, I can see a Maurice H Knowles born Q2 1913 Bradford upon Avon, mmn Tadd, so it is probably him. Then we find a marriage of a Knowles to a Tadd, William James Knowles and Kathrine Julia Tadd. Now as you have seen, it is dead easy for an experienced researcher to go down the wrong route, let alone a less experienced one, so if it were me I would get the marriage certificate of William and Kathrine before going any further. Though it probably won't give a father, it might have useful witnesses to tie us down to the right family.

Even where our relatives are convinced of the truth it is often proved wrong without documentary evidence.

Good luck with the rest of your research.

Ok so the first lot of info I gave you was not the right family
Williams parents were poss Clara and father unknown (without the birth certificate we cannot be sure)

If you want me to delete the info that is wrong so it does'nt confuse I will

jax

Ladies and Gents Thank you for your help. This is what happens when You have no real family connections to help you.
Right this is the only solid fact I have. Maurice Herbert Knowles. Birth date 7/05/1913 Born Bradford on Avon. His wife was Lilian Agnes Ford born 25/02/1919. I have all Lilians info. As to the Knowles info My mother in law could only come up with her fathers Name but dosent Know anything about her grandfather and mother. Strange but true. I have asked her to get information but none has been given. So I am here with you wonderful people Hoping to fill in the gaps. M

Just to add this looks like the marriage for the william born 1873

Marriages Jun 1900 (>99%)
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Chivers Emily Melksham 5a 271

Knowles William John Melksham 5a 271

Here they are together

1901

Name: William Knowles
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Emily
Gender: Male
Where born: Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England

Civil parish: Garston
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Wavertree
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 274
Household Members: Name Age
William Knowles 28
Emily Knowles 27


If william James Knowles born 1877 is your husbands gt grandfather then the 2nd lot of info is probably him unless you know otherwise

The William with the parents you mentioned married Emily

Name: William James Knowles
Year of Registration: 1877
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Melksham
County: Wiltshire
Volume: 5a
Page: 130 (click to see others on page)

this looks like the 1873 one

Name: William John Knowles
Year of Registration: 1873
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Melksham
County: Wiltshire
Volume: 5a
Page: 129 (click to see others on page)

Will pm mandylou to get her to come back as it looks like she could be following the wrong family

jax

well done madmeg for spotting the dob


There is a tree on ancestry that gives clara as williams mother father unknown born 1877

and the marriage of Thirza Knowles with James Chapman, in case this turns out to be the family!


Marriages Mar 1891 (>99%)

Chapman James Melksham 5a 199
Knowles Thirza Melksham 5a 199





sylvia

here's the marriage registration from freebmd.org.uk




Marriages Mar 1907 (>99%)

KNOWLES William James Bradford on A. 5a 195
TADD Kathrine Julia Bradford on A. 5a 195





sylvia

Now thats got me thinking madmeg

1901

Name: William J Knowles
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Trowbridge, Wiltshire, England

Civil parish: Trowbridge
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Trowbridge
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Melksham
Sub-registration district: Trowbridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 152
Household Members: Name Age
Thirza Chapman 66
Mary A Knowles 37
William J Knowles 24


1891

Name: Thersa Chapman
Age: 56
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: North Bradley, Wiltshire, England

Civil parish: Trowbridge
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Trowbridge
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Melksham
Sub-registration district: Trowbridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Chapman 63
Thersa Chapman 56
Mary Ann Chapman 27
Willie Jas Knowles 14


1881

Name: William Knowles
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Trowbridge

Civil parish: Trowbridge
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Street Address: 2 Cross Street
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Melksham
Sub-registration district: Trowbridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thirza Knowles 46
Clara Knowles 22
Tryphina Knowles 20
Annie Knowles 17
William Knowles 4

Looks like he could be the son of one of these daughters

Do you have his marriage cert or birth cert to prove who his parents are?

maybe the 1877 came from this one

census - household transcription
Person: KNOWLES, William
Address: 21 Woolley St Bradford on Avon Wiltshire

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KNOWLES, William Head Married M 34 1877 General Labourer Wilts Trowbridge VIEW
KNOWLES, Catherine Wife Married
4 years F 30 1881 Hants Aldershox VIEW
KNOWLES, William Charles Son M 5 1906 Wilts Bradford on Avon VIEW
KNOWLES, Gladys Annie Daughter F 3 1908 Wilts Bradford on Avon VIEW
KNOWLES, Georgina Florence Daughter F 1 1910 Wilts Bradford on Avon VIEW
KNOWLES, Bertram George Son M 0 (3 MONTHS) 1911 Wilts Bradford on Avon VIEW
TADD, Kerwin Thomas Grandson M 11 1900 School Wilt Trowbridge VIEW

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Name: William J Knowles
Death Registration Month/Year: 1940
Age at death (estimated): 63
Registration district: Trowbridge
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Volume: 5a
Page: 467

But you said he was born 1877. The person that Jax has found was born 1873. Is it the right man? Are you sure? You could have researched he 1881 census for yourself, free, so did you do that, and did it raise a query re his dob?

Thank you Jax for all then information regarding knowles. Super stuff. Mandylou