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I do not know if anybody can help. I have a birth reference (3b264)for William Desborough born June 1853 in St Ives Cambridgeshire. Can anybody tell me if his father was Thomas and who his mother was? I am completely stuck.
Cherie

1871 England Census
about William Desborough
Name: William Desborough
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Grandson
Father's Name: Thomas Desborough
Gender: Male
Where born: Elsworth
Civil parish: Elsworth
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England
Registration district: Caxton
Sub-registration district: Caxton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 56
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Desborough 76
Ann Desborough 72
Thomas Desborough 40
William Desborough 18

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Is this him?

I presume that you are assuming that Thomas was his father by looking at the 1861 census of the Desboro family living in Long Sutton. Lincolnshire.

Unfortunately the only positive way to answer your question will be to purchase a copy of the birth certificate.

there is this from 1861
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census search results 1861 address search redefine current search
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation
Disability Where Born Original
census
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DESBOROUGH, Thomas Head Married M 52 1809 Agricultural Labourer
Sholver
Cambridgeshire VIEW
DESBOROUGH, Jane Daughter Unmarried F 13 1848
...
Cambridgeshire VIEW
DESBOROUGH, James Son Unmarried M 10 1851
Tydd St Giles
Cambridgeshire VIEW
DESBOROUGH, William Son Unmarried M 7 1854
St Ives
Cambridgeshire VIEW
DESBOROUGH, Lucy Daughter Unmarried F 5 1856
Long Sutton
Cambridgeshire VIEW
DESBOROUGH, Mary Daughter Unmarried F 2 1859
Long Sutton
Cambridgeshire VIEW
RG number:
RG09 Piece:
2328 Folio:
108 Page:
25

Registration District:
Holbeach Sub District:
2 Long Sutton Enumeration District:
18 D Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Sutton St Mary Municipal Borough:
Address:
25, Union Place, Sutton St Mary, Long Sutton County:
Lincolnshire

1861 England Census
about Thomas Desbury
Name: Thomas Desbury
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Desbury
Mother's Name: Ann Desbury
Gender: Male
Where born: Elsworth, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil parish: Elsworth
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Caxton
Sub-registration district: Caxton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 70
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Desbury 63
Ann Desbury 62
Thomas Desbury 30 [unmarried]
John Desbury 17
William Desbury 8

Thank you for all your help. All the Desborough (Desbury) family came from Elsworth, Cambridgeshire. On the 1861 Census William Desbury (really Desborough) is 8 years old. I know it says his father Thomas Aged 30 is unmarried but I am finding it impossible to find out who William's, mother was. As Thomas has spent his life up to 30 years old around the Elsworth area I assume the mother of William is from the surrounding area. I am new to the research field and just do not know where to go from here. I have done reasonably well up to now but am stuck. Any help would be appreciated.

Cherie

Yes this is him. I have posted a general reply. All the family came from the surrounding district of Caxton. I do not know whether his mother died or was a girl Thomas got into trouble.

Thanks for your help.

Cherie

I am not sure that you have the right birth.
The registration district for Elsworth is Caxton.

Yes I know, but Elsworth is not that far from St. Ives, Huntingdonshire. I have searched and searched and the only William Desborough born 1853 I can find is the one in St. Ives, I do not want to send for a birth certificate if this is not the right one. How do I find out if I have got the right branch of the Desborough clan? There are many Desboroughs around that area so it is quite difficult. The names Thomas and William appear quite frequently.

Cherie

Hello Cherie,
did you keep the info. from your other 'Thread' dated 26th August...

Think you'll find that William's mother was Mary Ann (unmarried) daughter of Thomas (senior) on the 1861 census that Tania posted, I'll post the details again...(sadly Mary had died).

Chris Ho :) 26th August 2010 14:13 Request review
Cambridgeshire Baptisms
Day: 12

Month: Oct

Year: 1856

Forenames: William

Surname: DESBOROUGH

Relationship: of

Father forenames: [blank]

Fathers occupation: [blank]

Mother forenames: Mary Ann sp

Birth Day:

Birth Month:

Birth Year:

Abode: otp

Place: Elsworth

County: Cambridgeshire,England

Notes:



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Record source: Cambridgeshire Baptisms

Data provider: Cambridgeshire Family History Society


(and this marrige too, if of any help!)


Day: 27

Month: May

Year: 1872

Groom forename: William

Groom surname: DESBOROUGH

Groom's residence: otp

Groom's condition: bac

Groom's occupation: lab

Groom's age: 19

Groom's father's forename: unknown

Groom's father's surname: [blank]

Groom's father's occupation: [blank]

Bride forename: Louisa

Bride surname: CIRCUS

Bride's residence: otp

Bride's condition: sp

Bride's occupation: servant

Bride's age: 15

Bride's father's forename: Thomas

Bride's father's surname:

Bride's father's occupation: lab

By Licence: by banns

Place: Elsworth

County: Cambridgeshire,England

Witness 1 forename: Sarah (x)

Witness 1 surname: CIRCUS

Witness 2 forename: Daniel

Witness 2 surname: WITHEROW

Witness 3 forename:

Witness 3 surname:

Witness 4 forename:

Witness 4 surname:

Notes:



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Record source: Cambridgeshire Marriages

Data provider: Cambridgeshire Family History Society

Chris :)


Day: 11

Month: May

Year: 1834

Forenames: Mary Ann

Surname: DESBOROUGH

Relationship: dau of

Father forenames: Thomas

Fathers occupation: lab

Mother forenames: Ann

Birth Day:

Birth Month:

Birth Year:

Abode: otp

Place: Elsworth

County: Cambridgeshire,England

Notes:



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Record source: Cambridgeshire Baptisms

Data provider: Cambridgeshire Family History Society


Parish Records Collection - burial
Forenames: Mary Ann

Surname: DESBOROUGH

Residence: otp

Day: 30

Month: Apr

Year: 1858

Age: 24

Notes:

Parish: Elsworth

County: Cambridgeshire,England

Grave details:

Chris :)

calm.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/

if you go to the link above, it takes you search catalogue...
put Thomas Desborough in searchbox, and you'll see a photo of William's uncle!! :-) (article no 2)

Chris :)

I will just make the point that a child of an unmarried father will not normally be registered with his surname.

Sorry Chris I must have missed the significance of the last post. Thank you everybody. Success! I can now move on.

I will post a success story with praise for Cambridgeshire Family History Society.

Cherie

Hello Cherie,
Find my Past website has some Parish Records (BMD's) for Cambridgeshire, not all parishes though, but your'e in luck with Elsworth! :-) think as William had 18 children it might help!. (not a free site, but they have options!)

Is that your Louisa that died in 1930 13th March?...there is a Will on the Probate Index on Ancestry.

Chris :)

census search results 1911 address search redefine current search
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
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DESBOROUGH, William Head Married M 58 1853 Farm Labourer Elsworth Cambs VIEW
DESBOROUGH, Louisa Wife Married
38 years F 55 1856 Elsworth Cambs VIEW
DESBOROUGH, Herbert Son Single M 23 1888 Farm Labourer Elsworth Cambs VIEW
DESBOROUGH, John Son Single M 21 1890 Farm Labourer Elsworth Cambs VIEW
DESBOROUGH, Margaret Daughter Single F 18 1893 General Labourer Domestic Elsworth Cambs VIEW
DESBOROUGH, Arthur Son M 14 1897 Farm Labourer Elsworth Cambs VIEW
DESBOROUGH, Minnie May Daughter F 12 1899 School Caxton Cambs VIEW
DESBOROUGH, Dorothy Daughter F 12 1899 School Caxton Cambs VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
9036 Reference:
RG14PN9036 RG78PN480 RD179 SD1 ED9 SN8

Registration District:
Caxton Sub District:
Caxton Enumeration District:
9 Parish:
Elsworth

Address:
Bleets Drift Elsworth Cambridge County:
Cambridgeshire

(1911 census, says 18 children)

Chris :)

I do not know, Louise Desborough (Circus) did die in 1930 but I have as yet no date. I do not understand the significance of a Will on the Probate Index. I am not a member of Ancestry as I can only afford to be a member of one History site at a time. I am afraid I also get a bit worried at the sites that offer free time, perhaps unwarranted.

Hello Cherie,
can I just clarify that I'm nothing to do with the Cambridgeshire Family History Society :-) I just find their records useful in helping folks with Cambs. queries :-)

Chris :)

Well all I can say Chris is thank you, you have been great. Robert Desborough is my connection to William. Some of my half brothers and sisters were born in Little and Great Paxton before they decamped to Peterborough, where quite a few of them still live.

Cherie