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Thank you Jacky. The witnesses on the certificate are William Thomas Davey and Maud Sayer.

I've looked again at the 1891 census (where the father is transcribed as Clarence) and the image actually looks more like Elkanah.

Kath. x

Lancsbmd has that Cicely Mayall birth as Middleton sub reg district.

morning
i just tracked the eldest child william of the family that was found in the 1891 census born 1875 back to 1881 & think its a very good possiblity its right family for your ethel as here they are in the 1881 census minus ethel not born yet the father,s name is Elkanah Mayall
maybe the vicar miss herd what the person said when he was filling out the marriage cert ???? as if you say the name above quick it could sound like alkina

1881 England Census
about Elkanah Mayall
Name: Elkanah Mayall
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary J. Mayall
Mother's Name: Hannah Mayall
Gender: Male
Where born: Saddleworth, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Ashton Under Lyne
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 32 Smith St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Carder Cotton

Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne
Sub-registration district: Knott Lanes
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Elkanah Mayall 26
Mary J. Mayall 26
William Mayall 6
Fred Mayall 4
Charles Mayall 2
Ann Mayall 1
Hannah Mayall 61
Mary Mayall 24



if the right person for ethel,s father here is the marriage reg

Marriages Jun 1874 (>99%)
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Mayall Elhanah Ashton 8d 954
Mayall Elkanah Ashton 8d 954
MILLS Mary Jane Ashton 8d 954


just a thought

jacky



ps
who were the witnesses on the marriage cert for ethel & george maybe there a clue in there with the names ???


here is his death reg

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Elkanah Mayall
Name: Elkanah Mayall
Death Registration Month/Year: 1934
Age at death (estimated): 80
Registration district: Oldham
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 724

Ohh ...I think that is good news for Pauline. I'd bet on this being the correct birth.

Kath. x

Pauline do you have the marriage certificate for Ethel Mayall and George Henry Bickerdike as this may give the fathers names.

Hi Kath

Image says Middleton as birth place for Cicely

Snap! Whilst awaiting any responses, I did another search for Cicely Mayall and Cicely Hulton Mayall popped up. I have decided to get this certificate and see what it says. Thanks TootyFruity.

Thomas Hulton living a few streets away ... interesting! Thanks Kath

Paula

TootyFruity (or anyone with access to 1911 images)

Could you check the 1911 census and see what it gives as Ciceley's birth place?

The transcription says Lancashire Middlesex (which can't be right) but I was wondering if it said Lancashire Middleton - which would make the birth you found much more likely (as Middleton comes under the Oldham registration district). It would also make the Ethel Mayall I found in the census much more likely.

Kath. x

Thanks for this information.
Paula

Thanks but I don't think his name is Clarence. I have looked again at the marriage certificate. The Al.. at the start is the same as the Al.. in Altrincham and there is a large K in the middle which is similar to the large K in the middle of Bickerdike.
Paula

This is the same Ethel Mayall in the 1901 census:-

Name: Ethel Mayall
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Mary Jane Mayall
Gender: Female
Where born: Lees, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Middleton
Ecclesiastical parish: Middleton St Leonard
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Oldham
Sub-registration district: Middleton
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 211
Household Members:
Name Age

Mary Jane Mayall 46
William Mayall 26
Annie Mayall 21
Ethel Mayall 19
Edith Mayall 13
Polly Mayall 11
Elizabeth Mayall 10
Catherine Griffin 30

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3825; Folio: 66; Page: 30.

INTERESTINGLY - just a few streets away there is a family called Hulton with a son who is just a couple of years older than Ethel. I wonder if Cicely's middle name gives a clue to her "real" father's name!!! (Thomas Hulton perhaps)

Kath. x

Ohh..well found TootyFruity. That looks like a good bet.

Kath. x

I can't find any birth certificate under Bickerdike or Mayall.

Kath. x

Possible birth

Name: Cicely Hulton Mayall
Year of Registration: 1902
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Oldham
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 696 (click to see others on page)

Could Ethel's father be called Clarence? There is this family i n 1891 where the father Clarence is a Mill Manager:-


1891 England Census about Ethel Mayall
Name: Ethel Mayall
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Clarence Mayall
Mother's Name: Mary J Mayall
Gender: Female
Where born: Lees, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Middleton
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Rhodes
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: 61a Manchester Old Road

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Oldham
Sub-registration district: Middleton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age

Clarence Mayall 36, Manager Cotton Mill
Mary J Mayall 36
William Mayall 16
Fred Mayall 14
Charles Mayall 12
Ann Mayall 11
Ethel Mayall 9
Edith Mayall 3
Polly Mayall 1
Elizabeth Mayall 7/12
Mary Mayall 34

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3319; Folio 66; Page 37; GSU roll: 6098429.

Kath. x

1911
BICKERDIKE, George Henry Head Married M 32 1879 Butcher Yorkshire Leeds
BICKERDIKE, Ethel Wife. Married 5 years F 29 1882 Lancashire Leeds
BICKERDIKE, Bernard Hamilton Son Single M 5 1906 Cheshire Hale VIEW
BICKERDIKE, Ciceley Adopted Daughter Single F 8 1903 Lancashire Middlesex VIEW
BUTTERWORTH, Daniel Victor Visitor Single M 25 1886 Butcher Lancashire Blackburn VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
23766 Reference:
RG14PN23766 RG78PN1378B RD464 SD2 ED65 SN90
 
Registration District:
Chorlton Sub District:
Ardwick Enumeration District:
65 Parish:
South Manchester
 
Address:
12 Newark Avenue Rusholme County:
Lancashire

My grandfather Leslie Cross (1900-1955) married Cicely Mayall Bickerdike on 3 October 1925. Her parents were George Henry Bickerdike (1858-1955) and Ethel Mayall (c1882 - ) I could not find a birth certificate for Cicely Bickerdike even though it is known that her birthday was 29 September and it is believed that she was born in 1903 in Rochdale.

I do not have access to the 1911 Census but I have been informed by someone with access that George adopted Ethel's daugher Cicely. But I cannot find a birth certificate for Cicely Mayall.

1. Any Assistance finding Cicely's birth certificate would be appreciated.

2. Any Assistance finding Emily's birth certificate would be appreciated.

3. According to the marriage certificate of George Bickerdike (Butcher) and Ethel Mayall (Spinster) (17/07/1905) they were living in Altrincham. Ethel's father is stated to be Alkina (?) Mayall – Mill Manager. Any information (certificates, census or other information) would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you