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Hi Brian
Sorry I was missing yesterday but I am agreeing with Flick on this issue. If you are taking the ages from the census which are normally taken in March three quarters of the population won't have had their birthdays so they will appear one year younger. The information which Flick has provided is from the same source probably, which is familysearch and it has brought up the children of William Wragg and Elizabeth. I agree that there will have to be a rethink on Elizabeth's surname , something which doesn't always come easily in this game of family history.....we've all had to do it.
I had a relative from Sheffied who wrote that my gt grandmothers surname was Brailsford, it took me years to find out it was Nixon, and her mother was from the Wragg family .....so giving wrong information might be a family trait!.....Happy searching - JLe

I don't think you are following the 'wrong' William.........I do feel, however, that you may need to re-think your ideas about his wife's maiden name.

No problem for me.......I find the info, and post it for you to evaluate.

1861

Name: Morgan Wragg
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann Wragg
Gender: Male
Where born: Bradford, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Bishopwearmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: Bishopwearmouth
County/Island: Durham
Country: England



Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: South Bishop Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 316
Household Members: Name Age
Morgan Wragg 30
Ann Wragg 26
Charles Wragg 8
Ann E Wragg 4
Ellen Wragg 3 MO
Mary Forcon 17

Referring back to the 1851 census which I posted, the father's occupation was Spring Knife Cutler. Morgan's occ was Edge Tool Cutter/Cutler - EXACTLY are per 1861

If you worry about a year's difference in ages in the mid 19th century, you're likely to cause yourself untold problems................a difference of 10 years is not unheard-of. So be flexible...........

The 1841 census rounded-down ages of over-15's to the nearest '5'

Also, the fact that you have not yet traced certain individuals does not preclude them from being part of the family.
Elizabeth born c1825 would probably have left home before 1841........or she could have died.
Equally, Malin could have died before the GRO came into being

Don't forget to allow for mistranscriptions of ANY records................

Hi Flick and Janet
I don't want to be wasting your time by labouring a subject and monopolising you both but the issues that you have raised have now confused me,
Morgan Wragg (son of William who was a cutler) married an Ann Bently on the 13 Apr 1852. Ann's father was Thomas Bently a scale cutter. This marriage took place in Rotherham Yorks source of info wedding lines from Morgan and Ann.
The names that Janet mentions at 22.42 John is 1 year earlier than my John, Henry 1 year early, Margaret 1 year early, I do not have an Elizabeth 1825 and I do not have a Malin 1832. Could it be that I am following the wrong William of 1801 and is Elizabeth Harris 1801 erroneous as well.
If this is taking up to much of your time and causing you to many problems to sort please say so
Good hunting
Brian

Flick- looks like our message arrived at the same time-J

Do you still thin the marriage is not the right people?

Wragg, British Isles
Father: William , Mother: Elizabeth
Exact Spelling: Off
Batch Number: C007122

1. ELIZABETH WRAGG - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 23 OCT 1825 Bradfield, Yorkshire, England

2. JOHN WRAGG - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 17 AUG 1823 Bradfield, Yorkshire, England

3. HENRY WRAGG - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 07 OCT 1827 Bradfield, Yorkshire, England

4. MARGARET WRAGG - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 10 AUG 1834 Bradfield, Yorkshire, England

5. MALIN WRAGG - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 10 JUN 1832 Bradfield, Yorkshire, England

6. MORGAN WRAGG - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 10 JAN 1830 Bradfield, Yorkshire, England

Hi Brian- Your blood ran cold at the mention of 'dentist', what about mine? Toothache and I have to wait a fortnight for the treatment......


My thoughts on the information given.
William and Elizabeth have these children bapised at Bradfield
John 1823
Elizabeth 1825
Henry 1827
Morgan 1830
Malin 1832
Margaret 1834
Adelaide 14 May 1838 in Hope Derbyshire- Parents William and Betty*
I think Alfred may have been christened in Ecclesall Bierlow.


I think Flick's information on the marriage of William Wragg to Elizabeth Ashton is correct, it sounds good datewise and location,(although I thought the marriage might have been in Hope Derbyshire as that is the place of birth of Elizabeth on the 1851 census).
If Elizabeth Ashton is the daughter of Isaac Ashton and Ann Gillot there is a christening in Hope of a *Betty Ashton within the correct time frame- 7 July 1799 . Now this is my lateral thought to connect this couple. There are lots of Gillots/Wraggs/Ashtons at Bradfield so I tried to find another 'Malin' as I thought it an unusual name . There are lots of Malin Gillots but only in the Sheffield area, there are no Malin Ashtons and just this one Malin Wragg.Its a tenuous link but worth a thought.
I am unable to connect your family to mine. I have a William Wragg but mine is 1718 Bradfield. Probably part of the same family but eighty years too soon.- JLe

Hi Janet
All the info that FLICK came up with are my tree names except the 10.43 entry, they are not mine. Ann of GGables info is not relevant to me at all.
I have the 1841, 1851 1nd1861 census's for William 1801.
KATIE came up with a name of Septamus married to an Elizabeth.
If you can confirm that Septimus 1780c is the father of William 1801 then I can start searching further back from there.
When I read the word 'dentist' my blood ran cold at the thought of it. Hope it didn't hurt to much
Good hunting
brian

Brian
I think I have found him on the 1851 census with his place of birth Bradfield. I have loads of Wraggs from there but I haven't time to follow it through at the moment as I have to go to the dentist.....JLe

Hi Flick
All and any help is greatly appreciated. I was not intending to be "smart" only "lighthearted".
I did not keep proper records when I first started this tree and I really do not know how I came by the wifes name. It is in my tree so I must have got it from somewhere or someone and I can not for the life of me remember where or when.
No offence was intended by my flippant remark and I apologise if it was a cause for any upset.
Brian

Maybe the census info is a different family?????

WILLIAM RAGG

Spouse: ELIZABETH ASHTON
Marriage: 21 APR 1823 Bradfield, Yorkshire, England


Batch No.: M007122

Suggest, Brian, that you find out the source of your info , as you are asking other people to put themselves out for you

Being 'smart' isn't helpful.

Hi All
I don't know how I know his wifes name, but I do, funny world in'it.
Once again a very big thank you to you all for your efforts.
Good hunting
Brian

1851

Name: William Wragg
Age: 51
Estimated birth year: abt 1800
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth Wragg
Gender: Male
Where born: Bradfield, Yorkshire, England *****************************

Civil parish: Nether Hallam
Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England


Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
Sub-registration district: Nether Hallam
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 50
Household Members: Name Age
William Wragg 51
Elizabeth Wragg 51
Henry Wragg 23
Morgan Wragg 21
Margaret Wragg 16
Alfred Wragg 12
Eveline Wagg 10

1841 for info ONLY

Name: Eliza Wragg
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1801
Gender: Female
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Sheffield
Hundred: Strafforth and Tickhill (South Division)
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
Sub-registration district: Nether Hallam
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Wm Wragg 40
Eliza Wragg 40
John Wragg 17
Henry Wragg 13
Morgan Wragg 11
Margaret Wragg 6
Adelaide Wragg 4
Alfred Wragg 2

How do you know the maiden name of his wife without knowing when the marriage took place?

Lots in Sheffield around that time but only one in 1801

Christening: 20 MAY 1801 Cathedral Saint Peter, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: SEPTAMUS WRAGG Family
Mother: ELIZABETH

Does anybody know the ancestors of William Wragg b1801 in Sheffield .
He was married to Eliza Harris somewhere around the 1820's.
He is my G G grandfather.
Brian