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yes could be!

so not a good time to be a lady then?
thanks

not necessarily twins


many families often had more than one child baptized at the same ceremony ..... it saved money!

OR it could be that there was no vicar in the village, that one came round at irregualr intervals.


Very rare to find mother's maiden name in the early days .......... don't forget women were chattels of their fathers and then of their husbands.




sylvia

COULD THEY BE TWINS ??
AND THE MOTHERS MAIDEN NAME WOULD BE?

I HAVE NO JANE AND ROBERT ON MY TREE TO DATE
BUT IT SEEMS TO BE A COINCIDENCE.

Name: Jane Norman
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 26 Oct 1806
Baptism/Christening Place: Strood, Kent, England
Father's Name: James Norman
Mother's Name: Mary Norman
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02218-2
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 992463
Reference Number: yr 1790-1812 p 124
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975


Name: Robert Norman
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 26 Oct 1806
Baptism/Christening Place: Strood, Kent, England
Father's Name: James Norman
Mother's Name: Mary Norman
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02218-2
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 992463
Reference Number: yr 1790-1812 p 124
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Following on from 1841.

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Groom's Name: William Norman
Bride's Name: Elizabeth Granger
Marriage Date: 23 Jun 1834
Marriage Place: St. Margaret Next Rochester, Kent, England
Groom's Marital Status: Single
Bride's Marital Status: Single

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01080-0
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1835969
Reference Number: P 52
Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973


Update: Back to the drawing board - obviously not this one.
1841 England Census
Name: William Norman
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Kent, England
Civil parish: Maidstone
Hundred: Maidstone Borough
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Registration district: Maidstone
Sub-registration district: East Maidstone
Household Members: Name Age
William Norman 25
Elizabeth Norman 25
George Norman 7
George Granger 60
Charlotte Granger 60

A lot less than skydiving which is my husband's hobby! I enjoy the hunt and it keeps me quiet.

Ozi

hannah richardson was his wife ,isaac was her dad.he was a painter?,your prob right about the dealer bit i put brain surgeon on my sons cert when in fact im a pyisssiisist !!!!!! L O L
STILL NO NEARER TO JAMES NORMAN 1760 THOUGH STILL I WILL KEEP TRYING

GOOD NIGHT AND THANKS

PS IT MUST COST YOU A LOT OF MONEY THIS HOBBY
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yes on the birth cert of his son charles henry 1may 1869
his father william born 1843 is stated as a dealer in ships stores

I ask about dealer in marine stores because of the following. It may be a grandiose name for hawker.

In 1841 William Norma, abt 1805, Magdalen Street, St Mary Magdalen, Essex - not born in county; Box Maker; also in household is Elizabeth, not born in county [possibly his wife, but not necessarily so as 1841 doesn't give relationships.]

is living next to ..

Isaac Richardson abt 1798 Essex, England St Mary Magdalen, Essex - born in county; Painter; also in household is Hannah, abt 1824, born in county [daughter perhaps?]

Considering this in 1851

1851 England Census
Name: Willm Norman
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1812
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Hannah Norman
Gender: Male
Where born: Strood, Kent, England
Civil parish: Colchester St Mary Magdalen
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address: Church Lane, Magdalene Street

Occupation: Hawker

Registration district: Colchester
Sub-registration district: Colchester First Ward
Household Members: Name Age
Willm Norman 39
Hannah Norman 29 - Hawker's wife; born in Colchester
William Alberta 9
Isaac Norman 4
John Norman 1 9 MO [looks like '1 & 9 month' on image]
Elizabeth Whiley 48 - visitor; Box Maker; born in Shoreditch; deaf
Isaac Richardson 30 - brother-in-law; Dealer; born in Colchester


In 1861 he is a Band Box Maker.
In 1871and 1881 he is a Box Maker.

You're not alone Michael. Family history grabs you that way.

You say William was a dealer in marine stores in 1843. Is that from a certificate of some kind?

Ozi

all the family lived in colchester ( and some still do but i have never met them) but i suppose it stands to reason that they lived in strood!!! when they had william
i did wonder why one child was born in suffolk i assumed it was in hospital in suffolk
what was williams first wifes name,

this is fantasic thank you very much

ps its funny that when your young you dont care who your distant relative are but has you get older, i'm 67 it seems to matter.

yours michael norman

william 1843 dealer in marine stores

It looks like William was married before Hannah. The eldest on 1851 is William Albert born Suffolk, 4 years before William's marriage to Hannah. Also a 5 year gap between William jnr and the next child Isaac who looks as if he was named after his grandfather Richardson.

Births Sep 1842
Norman William Albert Sudbury 12 416
Sudbury is the reg'n district for Cavendish William jnr's birthplace.


Also in your other thread you think parents, James & Mary, may be in Colchester. Why?

Who was a dealer? James or William?

Is this the occupation from the marriage cert?

Ozi

he was a dealer in ships stores colchester

sorry sylvia you will have to pardon me i have only been at this for two weeks,

sorry james was the father of of william

Thanks, Sylvia.

see also

www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1242672


Michael

you should not start another thread on the same family ..... you should have continued on the other thread





sylvia

On 1851 census he's born 1812, 1861 he's born 1815.

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IGI Individual Record
WILLIAM NORMAN
Christening: 29 MAY 1814 Strood Near Rochester, Kent, England
Parents:
Father: JAMES NORMAN
Mother: MARY
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information:
Batch No.: C131322
Dates: 1722 - 1875