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Hi Everyone

I have a bit of a dilemma and not sure whether there is a solution – I have found two relatives (brothers) called John Lovett one was baptised on 18 September 1803 and the other was baptised on 6 April 1806 – the problem I have is that I have a burial for a John Lovett but this is for the 10 May 1807 and it doesn’t confirm how old he was when he died – is there anyway I could find this out to confirm which John it relates to as could be either of them

Many Thanks
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Unless the parish register give an age on the burial record then you may not know. You could try to trace the family on the census and compare the age of any John you find

Hi

Just to confirm they are definately siblings - the baps confirm the same name for the mum and dad (also the mum's maiden name). Have tried to find both on the 1841 census - no luck yet though

Thanks

xx

On the IGI

John Lovett christened 18/09/1803 Ellingham Norfolk buried 10/05/1807
son of Henry Lovett and Elizabeth Balls.
There are 16 children listed to this family both John's are with this family.

But the IGI also states that the second John christened 06/04/1806 also was buried on this day.

Thanks Joan

I had found thirteen children for them and only 6 were still alive, and appears that they buried 4 children in the same year, two on the same day and three in August the same year, so sad

I will have a look on IGI for the others I am missing and the other information you have kindly given for the two John's

Many Thanks

Good Luck

Thanks Joan - I think I may need it

x

I notice that all the burial records on the IGI are submitted so possibly not accurate.

freereg has burials for Great Ellingham:

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

There are two Johns listed, both in 1807; one just has the year, the other the full date.

They are listed under Lovett

Hi Potty

Sorry what does that mean, about being submitted? I have checked on there but can only find the one burial which is for the 10 May 1807 and this seems to link to the John that was born 6 April 1806 - cannot find anything for the other one born 1803?

Thanks

Hi Potty

I have come across that a lot on FREEREG they duplicate the records, one just has the year, the other has the actual date

Thanks

Middy,
There are two types of record in the IGI - extracted and submitted. The extracted records are transcriptions of parish records whilst the submitted ones come from various sources, often from family trees that have been placed on the site and need to be treated with care. Some of them are accurate (the ones for the Lovets seem to be, as they agree with the freereg transcriptions) but some are very inaccurate.

Just another thought following the information which Joan gave that the christening and burial were on the same day.

Suppose the first John(1803) died and was being buried along with his name in 1806,then the new child without a name was christened John on the same day as his sibling who had been buried, thereby continuing the name until he, the second John ,died in 1807.-JLe

Thanks Potty - I understand now x

Hi Janet, I have to say it is very confusing with the John's - the record I have shows that John who was born in 1806 died in 1807 so I don't really know what happened to the one who was born in 1803, cannot find him on the earliest census in 1841 and nothing for burials between 1803 and then ??

xx

It might be worth looking for a burial of the elder John in the home town or village of his parents.
I have seen records where children were taken back to their grandparents' area to be buried in a churchyard with family links.

It would be good to see the actual parish registers of the place where the baptisms took place, as they sometimes show important helpful notes added by the vicar or clerk.


Gwyn

Middy- Joan wrote-:

"But the IGI also states that the second John christened 06/04/1806 also was buried on this day"

my reply says that the John born in 1806 did die in 1807.
Following the statement from Joan which states that John was born and died on the same day doesn't rule out that the John who died was not the same John who was baptised but they both shared the same name. Hence there will be no John on any census. They both died, one in 1806 and one in 1807.- jle

if you use the pilot version of familysearch which seems to be more accurate it lists the 2 baptisms, 1803 & 1806 and ONE burial 1807.

The 2 records on the ordinary site are submitted by a member (or 2 different) ones who each decided for themselves which John that burial refers to as there is no age given.

If you look at the baptism batch from the parish register for the children of henry & Elizabeth Balls you will notice they do rather like the same names - 2 Johns, 2 Rebeccas, 2 Marias (& a Mary), 2 Henrys & 2 Elizabeths

also on the pilot site it show burials of 10 children from 1792 to 1811

Sorry I am really confused now - so are we saying then that they just duplicated the records or that they did have two children with the same names, as I have baptisms for all the children including those with the same name - are these not right then - I got these from FREEREG not IGI

Sorry Janet, I must have read what Joan wrote differently, apologies

sorry Middy if I confused you - perhaps an example would be better

1st Rebecca baptised 28 June 1807
burial 24 Jan 1808

2nd Rebecca baptised 7 May 1809

a similar pattern applies to the other duplicated names - with the exception that I can't find a burial for the 1st John

I did wonder if the name is wrong on the 1803 John. there should be a burial before 1806. There IS a burial of a Thomas for the same family buried 1804 but I can't find a baptism. Given the family's liking for calling the next child by the same name maybe the burial register is wrong for Thomas & it should be John.

hope this helps