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katerina

katerina Report 20 Oct 2010 18:57

Can anyone help with find Malichy?Maliky Magrath/Mcgrath.
I have the family in the 1851, 61, and 71 census. His wife Ellen was found drowned in the Thames 1875. After 71 there is no trace of the rest of the family. Jane, Mary, and Austead. Mary became my great granmother. Does anyone know if there is another name for Austead, as she is in the 61 census but gone in the 71. Also is Malichi and Maliky the Irish name for Michael. On Mar'ys marraige cert, says fathers name Michael. I have countless certificates, but none with the name of Michael Many thanks,
Tina

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 20 Oct 2010 19:04

Please can you give some places and dates of birth for these people

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 20 Oct 2010 19:05

Katerina, perhaps the name should be Malachi? Sounds like they might have done a phonetic spelling on the census.

Added: Just seen a copy of Ellen's death certificate on an Ancestry tree and his name is definitely Malachi.

tempest

tempest Report 20 Oct 2010 19:06

for reference

1861 England Census
about Austead Magrath Name: Austead Magrath
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Malachy Magrath
Mother's Name: Ellen Magrath
Gender: Female
Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalen
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Bermondsey
Sub-registration district: Leather Market
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 204
Household Members: Name Age
Malachy Magrath 58
Ellen Magrath 57
Austead Magrath 13
Ann O Mailey 28


 Lindsey*

Lindsey* Report 20 Oct 2010 19:13

could be anstead?

1861 England Census about Austead Magrath
Name: Austead Magrath
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Malachy Magrath
Mother's Name: Ellen Magrath
Gender: Female
Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalen
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View image
Registration district: Bermondsey
Sub-registration district: Leather Market
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 204
Household Members:
Name Age
Malachy Magrath 58
Ellen Magrath 57
Austead Magrath 13
Ann O Mailey 28
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AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 20 Oct 2010 19:16


Last name: McGrath
There are two distinct septs which make up this popular Irish name. The first is that from County Clare, who migrated South to County Waterford, circa 1400, and who were the hereditary poets to the O'Briens, Kings of All Ireland. The second sept were from County Donegal, where they were claimants to the ancient monastery lands of the area. In County Down the name has been transposed to MacGraw, and in Donegal it often appears as MacGragh. The original derivation is from the Gaelic "MacGraith", meaning "the son of Graith". Archbishop Miler McGrath, 1523 -1622, the former Franciscan friar, having become a Protestant, rose to be a Archbishop of Cashel, and in 1604 was twice married and held over seventy livings. One John Magrath took part in the 1798 Rising and was captured, but later escaped to America. His son, Andrew Condon Magrath (1813 - 1893), rose to become a distinguished judge, a Governor of Carolina, and a prominent Confederate in the American Civil War. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of John McGraith, which was dated circa 1391, Author of "Caithreim Toirdhealbhaigh", during the reign of King Richard 11 of England, known as "Richard of Bordeaux", 1378 - Surnames became necessary when governments introduced personal taxation. In England this was known as Poll Tax. Throughout the centuries, surnames in every country have continued to "develop" often leading to astonishing variants of the original spelling.1399.

Read more: http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/McGrath#ixzz12vMW8ooP

katerina

katerina Report 21 Oct 2010 13:31

Hi Susan,
Maliky born in tipperary Ireland about 1803, Ellen his wife Tipperary 1806, Jane about 1833 born in bermondsey, Mary 1835 born in bermondsey, and Austead about 1848, born in Bermondsey. cant find any of them except Mary wedding to John Gubbins 1854,
kindest regards kate

katerina

katerina Report 21 Oct 2010 13:38

Hello Ann Marie,
Many thanx for your help. I got the copy of Ellens deaths certificate, and your right it does say Malachi, so would i be wrong in assuming that the name means Michael, because thats whats on Mary's wedding certificate.
In the 1851 censushe is down as Maliky. i suppose they didnt know how to spell it. maybe thats why on the wedding certificate they just put Michael, or do you think i am barking up the wrong tree with this family.
kate

Flick

Flick Report 21 Oct 2010 13:40

Malachi

The name Malachi is a male name. The name Malachi comes from the Hebrew origin. In Hebrew The meaning of the name Malachi is: Messenger of God. The title of the last book in the Old Testament.


Similar Names:

Malachy ( Hebrew )
Malachy ( Irish )
Daracha ( Scottish )
Wallache ( German )

katerina

katerina Report 21 Oct 2010 13:41

Never thought of Anstead, but will try, they just seemed to have dissapeared altogether,
best wishes Kate

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 21 Oct 2010 13:42

Not what you are asking I know but could this be their son?

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1842 (>99%)
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McGrath Malachi Bermondsey 4 14

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Deaths Sep 1846 (>99%)
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McGRATH Malachi Bermondsey 4 13

Have you looked in Ireland for a death for Malachy? He may have gone back to Ireland after his wife's death.

katerina

katerina Report 21 Oct 2010 13:46

Wow Ann what a wealth of information, will try Macgraw and see if that works,
many thanx Kate

katerina

katerina Report 21 Oct 2010 13:47

Hello Flick,
Thankyou for that,
kindest regards,
Kate

katerina

katerina Report 21 Oct 2010 13:50

Yes, it does seem to be strange that the name of Malachi is being used, the only way i can solve the problem is to get the certificates, but then there is no mention of sons being born in the family. Will keep you posted, and thankyou for your help
Kate

katerina

katerina Report 21 Oct 2010 13:52

Forgot to add, just how do i look for a death in Ireland, it seems the family came from Tipperary............ any help would be grate
kate

katerina

katerina Report 21 Oct 2010 13:53

and also why isnt there a birth certificate in the name of Austead

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 21 Oct 2010 14:06

There was no penalty for not registering a birth before 1875.
Try here for Irish BMDs

https://beta.familysearch.org/

Mary

Mary Report 21 Oct 2010 14:21

No sign of Austead/Anstead 1851.
She is not with family.

Nearest birth I found was Ann Magrath 1846 bermondsey A/M/J V4 P 47.

But there again only Jane and Mary with parents in 1851.

Maryb