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Gillian, I agree with other posters that the only way to go back accurately is to buy Christopher and Ellen's marriage certificate to find out their fathers names and occupations.

The parents of Ellen on the ancestry tree are unconfirmed as William & Susannah. I have shown an alternative as James & Mary. Clark(e) is such a common name that it would be easy to follow the wrong line. The name could have been spelt differently on census & certificates

Gillian, I think to try to get back with any further accuracy, you need Ellen's marriage certificate to verify her father's name and occupation.

The reference to order this from GRO is:

Marriages Jun 1892
CLARK Ellen W. Derby 8b 549
OLDFIELD Christopher W. Derby 8b 549

There is the tree mentioned on Ancestry that gives her parents names but there are no references or sources given to back that up, so you can't be sure that it's accurate.

Hello Everyone,
i am finding it difficult to find the Marriage Details On 'William Clark' born in 1834, And 'Susannah' both born in portsmouth. One of the main reasons why im shearching is because i want to find out susannah's maiden name there ocupations. They had a daughter name of an 'Ellen Clark' Who later married a 'Christopher Oldfield'.

Many Thanks
Gillian

You do need the copy of Ellen marriage certificate to confirm the name & occupation of her father but I would say this was a strong possibility
1881
James CLARKE Head M Male 47 Blackmoor, Essex, England Ag Lab
Mary A. CLARKE Wife M Female 28 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Martha GODDING Mother In Law W Female 61 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Ellen CLARKE Dau Female 13 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Scholar
Rose CLARKE Dau Female 11 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Scholar
Laura CLARKE Dau Female 6 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Scholar
Ada CLARKE Dau Female 4 Murtle Grove, York, England Scholar
James H. CLARKE Son Male 2 Lpool, Lancashire, England

Source Information:
Dwelling Gleaves Cottages
Census Place Great Crosby, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341885
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3696 / 112
Page Number 57

is there a column on some (all?) census images - not on the transcriptions - which gives some disabilities?

Hi Gillian, you're very welcome.

Again on Ancestry, there is a tree that says Ellen's parents were William S Clark 1834 and Susannah 1833. There's nothing to verify this, though.

I'd recommend getting a copy of Christopher and Ellen's marriage certificate to double check who her father was.

Sadly, I'm not sure of any way of accessing old medical records which may have been of help to you. However, there may be someone who has further ideas.

Hello,
Just putting this on just to say thank you so much for everything especially 'MargretManson', 'Anne-Marie' and 'LancashireAnn'. I have found out 'Chritopher Oldfields' Father and mother!!! =D now i am looking more into 'Ellen Clarks' family for it is a famly myth that she i the most interesting side of the family. If there is anyone out there who is willing to help me, if you can find out if there is any records of sight loss in any side of the family for i have retinitis pigmentosa, which is a retinopathy that causes sight loss.

Yours Sincerely
Gillian Louise Sanderson



P.S. once again many thanks to everyone who helped =D

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1898
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
OLDFIELD Ada Great Crosby South Sefton CLARK C/28/257

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1900
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
OLDFIELD Christopher Great Crosby South Sefton CLARK C/31/100

showing both of these had mmn = Clark

confirmation of marriage from lancashirebmd.org.uk

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1892
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
OLDFIELD Christopher CLARKE Ellen Bootle, Christ Church South Sefton A4/1/326

1901 census
11 Trevor Rd., Seaforth, Lancashire
Christopher Oldfield, head, 29, ship's coal heaver, born Lancs, Bootle
Ellen, wife, 33, born Hants, Portsmouth
Rose, dau, 7, born Bootle
Ellen, dau, 5, born "
Alice, dau, 4, born "
Ada, dau, 2, born Crosby
Christopher, son, 10 months, born Seaforth
James H. Clark, boarder, 23, ship's coal heaver

Christopher is with John 1844 and Alice on 1891 census.

There doesn't seem to be another christopher in same time frame so the info on tree looks likely.

Maryb

According to a tree on Ancestry (unsourced) Christopher's parents were John Oldfield 1844 and Alice Kirby 1845.

Using FreeBMD http://www.freebmd.org.uk and census records you should be able to verify this (perhaps need to buy some certificates along the way).

Family in 1911:

OLDFIELD, Christopher Husband Married M 40 1871 General Carter Bootle Liverpool Lancashire
OLDFIELD, Ellen Wife Married 19 years F 42 1869 Hants Portsmouth
OLDFIELD, Rose Daughter Single F 18 1893 Worker In Match Factory Bootle Liverpool Lancashire
OLDFIELD, Alice Daughter F 14 1897 Bootle L Pool Lancashire
OLDFIELD, Ada Daughter F 12 1899 School Crosby L Pool Lancashire
OLDFIELD, Christopher Son M 10 1901 School Seaforth Liverpool Lancashire
OLDFIELD, Frank Son M 8 1903 School Seaforth Liverpool Lancashire
OLDFIELD, Fredreck Son M 6 1905 School Liverpool Lancashire
OLDFIELD, James Son M 4 1907 Liverpool Lancashire
OLDFIELD, Elizzebeth Daughter F 1 (18 MONTHS) 1910 Bootle L Pool Lancashire

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22335 Reference:
RG14PN22335 RG78PN1319 RD455 SD2 ED5 SN270

Registration District:
West Derby Sub District:
Litherland Enumeration District:
5 Parish:
Orrell

Address:
16 Humphrey St Orrell Bootle County:
Lancashire

Possible for Christopher & Ellen:

Marriages Jun 1892 (>99%)
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CLARK Ellen W. Derby 8b 549
OLDFIELD Christopher W. Derby 8b 549

Gillian, this was easy to find and free on FreeBMD.

To give an idea of dates:

Marriages Mar 1928 (98%)
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O'Hagan Esther Oldfield W.Derby 8b 695
Oldfield James O'Hagan W.Derby 8b 695

Hi Gillian it would help others if you could give dates with the names you have and area in which they were from.

Maryb

Any dates Gillian?

Annx

Hello,
I am trying to find out information on my great Grandfather 'Christopher Oldfield'. I Know for certain he had 9 children and one named of a 'James Oldfield' and he was married to a 'Esther O'hagen' . They then had a 6 children, 1 of which were called 'Theresa Oldfield'. who then later married a 'Colin Sanderson'. they then had 7 children one called 'Gillian Sanderson', Who married a 'Denis Hanratty'. Who had 2 children named 'Callum Sanderson' and 'Nathan Sanderson'. I do NOT know the maiden name of Christopher's wife but i do know her forename was Ellen, whom of which was originally was born in Portsmouth. I cannot confirm if Ellen is a nickname for another Women. So please can you help me for i am so eager to find out. =D

Yours Sincerely
Gillan Louise Sanderson