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Tracey - two useful sites for you to bookmark:

Scotland's People - http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

Family Search - http://pilot.familysearch.org

Thank you all so much for helping me you are all very kind

beta.familysearch.org ,is free to all.

As is this

www.familysearch.org

I only found out a week ago that he was born in Dumfries. I dont have ancestry at the moment as I cant afford it! On all the census returns it always say's Born Scotland. I typed his name in to Genes 1911 mini search you can do for free and this is how I found out where in Scotland he was born. Thank you for all your help you are very kind

Have you tried looking up Thomas Smith yourself on IGI, as a start?
(He is there on the pilot search)

Mariecelest I though they might not have bothered to marry. This would explain a lot I don't want to be cheaky but would you be kind and look up Thomas Smith b1822/23 St Mongo's parish Dumfrieseshire Scotland. As I dont know his parents name's It would be a massive help to me Thanks

Tracey, just my opinion - but i think he would have reverted to the surname he was born with. (That's certainly what happened with stepchildren in my own family - they're often listed in the stepfather's name whilst they're young).

Might be worth getting the certificate for that marriage I posted to see what it says for father's details on that.

Patchem I have searched in vain for the marr of Mary Ann and Thomas Smith I have applied 6 times to differant registry offices for the wedding certificate. With no luck I am going to get my Great Grandmothers birth certificate as soon as I can. Thank you

Can't find a marriage for Mary Ann to Thomas - as she'd been married before they may not have bothered (living together was not uncommon in those days).

Mariecelest I am not sure. This is why I have had so many problems trying to find out what happened to him. I am not sure if he used the name Smith or Carleton??? Thank you so much for helping x

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1880
Carlton Thomas Hexham 10b 393
Hamilton Jane Hexham 10b 393

Have you got your Great Grandmother's ( Annie May Smith b1870 Dalston Cumberland) birth certificate, as this will tell you Mary Ann's maiden name?
Have you got a marriage for Mary Ann to Thomas Smith?
(This looks like the only one in Penrith)
Marriages Sep 1851
Salkeld Mary Penrith 25 111
Smith Thomas Penrith 25 111

Thanks

Could this be Thomas in 1881:

CARLTON, Thomas Head Married M 29 1852 Coachman Dom Carlisle Cumberland
CARLTON, Jane Wife Married F 23 1858 Whitehaven Cumberland

RG number: RG11
Piece: 5103
Folio: 59
Page: 37

Registration District: Hexham
Sub District: Hexham
Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish: Hexham
Municipal Borough:
Address: Ethel Terr, Hexham
County: Northumberland

Thank you both. I have done really well with this side of my tree except for the wedding and what happenned to Thomas Carlton Smith??

1861 England Census
Thomas Carleton
Age: 9 Estimated birth year: abt 1852 Relation: Stepson
Mother's name: Mary Ann Smith Gender: Male Where born: Lazonby, Cumberland, England Civil Parish: Bustabeck Bound and Castle Sowerby Ecclesiastical parish: Raughtonhead County/Island: Cumberland Country: England Registration district: Penrith
Sub-registration district: Greystoke ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household schedule number: 28

Thomas Smith 40
Mary Ann Smith 29
Thomas Carleton 9
James Smith 7
Mary Ann Smith 4
Isabella Smith 3
John Smith 2
Joseph Smith 8 MO

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3903; Folio: 48; Page: 7; GSU roll: 543204.

1871

SMITH, Thomas Head M 47 1824 Scotland
SMITH, Mary Ann Wife F 39 1832 Cumberland
SMITH, Thomas C Son M 19 1852 Cumberland << Born Ainstable
SMITH, Mary A Daughter F 14 1857 Cumberland
SMITH, Isabella Daughter F 12 1859 Cumberland
SMITH, Joseph Son M 10 1861 Cumberland
SMITH, Jane Daughter F 7 1864 Cumberland
SMITH, Margaret Daughter F 5 1866 Cumberland
SMITH, Sarah Daughter F 3 1868 Cumberland
SMITH, Ann Daughter F 1 1870 Cumberland

Registration District:
Carlisle Sub District:
Dalston Enumeration District:
3 Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Dalston Municipal Borough:
Address:
The Green, Dalston County:
Cumberland

1861 gives you that Thomas was a Carleton.

SMITH, Thomas Head Married M 44 1817 Agricultural Labourer
Scotland
SMITH, Mary Ann Wife Married F 39 1822 Agricultural Labourers Wife
Stanwix
Cumberland
CARLETON, Thomas Stepson M 9 1852
Lazonby
Cumberland
SMITH, James Son M 7 1854
Stanwix
Cumberland
SMITH, Mary Ann Daughter F 4 1857
Hesket in the Forest
Cumberland
SMITH, Isabella Daughter F 3 1858
Hutton in the Forest
Cumberland
SMITH, John Son M 2 1859
Castle Sowerby
Cumberland
SMITH, Joseph Son M 0 (8M) 1861
Castle Sowerby
Cumberland

Registration District:
Penrith Sub District:
2 Greystoke Enumeration District:
14 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Raughton Head

Civil Parish:
Castle Sowerby Municipal Borough:
Address:
Green, Castle Sowerby County:
Cumberland

Yes that is them!

Tracey, to help us get our bearings, is this them in 1881?

SMITH, Thomas Head Married M 57 1824 Farm Lab Scotland
SMITH, Mary A Wife Married F 50 1831 Stanwin Cumberland
SMITH, Joseph Son Single M 19 1862 Farm Lab Green Fell Cumberland
SMITH, Margaret Daughter Single F 16 1865 Out Door Worker Dalston Cumberland
SMITH, Sarah Daughter Single F 14 1867 Scholar Dalston Cumberland
SMITH, Anie Daughter Single F 12 1869 Scholar Dalston Cumberland
SMITH, William R Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar Dalston Cumberland
SMITH, Andrew Son Single M 7 1874 Scholar Spen Durham
SMITH, Joseph Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar Spen Durham

RG number: RG11
Piece: 5107
Folio: 81
Page: 8

Registration District: Hexham
Sub District: Chollerton
Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish: Chollerton
Municipal Borough:
Address: Park House, Chollerton
County: Northumberland

Please could someone help? Thomas was the eldest son of Mary Ann (possibly Carleton) She then went on to marry Thomas Smith b1822 Dumfries Scotland I am not sure if she was married to Thomas' father or he was illigitamate?? They then had 11 more children including my Great Grandmother Annie May Smith b1870 Dalston Cumberland. The family came to live in Fourstones near Hexham in Northumberland. They lived at Frankham Fell. I have searched in vain to find out what happened to Thomas Carlton Smith I dont know weather he moved back to Cumberland or stayed in the Hexham area?? I would love to know who he married and where he lived.I also can't find the Marr for Mary Ann and My Great x2 Grandfather Thomas Smith? Any help anyone could give me would be wonderful Thank you