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Hi,

Hope someone can help with this.

I now am the proud owner of Winifred Kelly/Leonard Giles marriage cert.

They were married at St. Wilfreds RC Church Hull, 13.02.1916. Winifreds father was named as John Kelly and his occupation states admiral of fishing fleet.

Interestingly one of the witnesses is Rose Ann Robinson, see above for more info.

So far i know,

Father John Kelly - Admiral of Fishing Fleet
Daught Winifred Kelly born 1890, Married 1916 (on hull census 1911)
Daught Rose Ann Robinson born 1886 (on hull census 1901 & 1911)
Poss Bro John Kelly born C1886 (on Hull censu 1901 with Rose & Benjamin Robinson. Listed as visitor.

Does anyone have any tips as to where i go from here, i still have no confirmation these people were infact Irish othr then what the family say.

Many thanks to anyone who may be able to help me.

Shel xx

Ann, I thought that census you posted looked quite hopeful! I think that Michelle needs to buy Winifred's marriage certificate to get her father's name and occupation - otherwise any research is based on speculation rather than facts.

Michelle, please remember that often word of mouth "facts" really need to be proved. My own Grandmother always gave the impression that she was born in Ireland when in fact she was born in Scotland of Irish parents who then returned to Ireland. Please come back to your thread when you have the marriage certificate and let us know if Ann's census is correct.

Michelle,

So you think that is not them on the 1891 census I posted?

Annx

Winifred Kelly & Rose Kelly were born in Ireland (Winifred 1890) I know Winifred Kelly married Leonard Giles in Hull in 1916 at Hull Register Office. But anything inbetween these dates is a complete mystery. I think i need to track when and how they came to be in Hull. Would anyone know how to start looking at Irish people who travelled over here?

Shel xx

Winifred Kane IN 1871


census - household transcription
Person: KANE, Winnifred
Address: William Square, Sculcoates, Hull

Cost:
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census search results 1871 address search redefine current search
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

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KANE, Thomas Head M 50 1821 Ireland VIEW
KANE, Mary Wife F 50 1821 Ireland VIEW
KANE, Jane Daughter F 13 1858 Yorkshire VIEW
KANE, Winnifred Daughter F 10 1861 Lincolnshire VIEW
KANE, Ellen Daughter F 8 1863 Yorkshire VIEW
BOLAND, John Lodger M 64 1807 Ireland VIEW

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RG number:
RG10 Piece:
4781 Folio:
127 Page:
8

Registration District:
Sculcoates Sub District:
Sculcoates, East Enumeration District:
6 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Sculcoates Municipal Borough:
Hull Address:
William Square, Sculcoates, Hull County:
Yorkshire

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1881 (>99%)
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KANE Winifred Sculcoates 9d 382
KELLY John Sculcoates 9d 382

possible marriage??


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1881 (>99%)
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KANE Winifred Sculcoates 9d 382
KELLY John Sculcoates 9d 382
LOWERY Margaret Sculcoates 9d 382
Walsh James Sculcoates 9d 382

????

Deaths Mar 1908 (>99%)
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KELLY Winifred 47 Sculcoates 9d 150

Births Dec 1890 (>99%)
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Kelly Winifred Sculcoates 9d 183

Have replied to your pm.


1891 census - household transcription
Person: KELLY, Winefred
Address: 78, Wassand Street, Holy Trinity And St Mary, Kingston Upon Hull

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census search results 1891 address search redefine current search
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation
Disability Where Born Original
census
image

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KELLY, Winefred Wife Married F 30 1861 Wife Of Fisherman
Great Grimsby
Lincolnshire VIEW
KELLY, Thomas Son Single M 8 1883 Scholar
Hull
Yorkshire VIEW
KELLY, Rose Ann Daughter Single F 7 1884 Scholar
Hull
Yorkshire VIEW
KELLY, John Son Single M 5 1886 Scholar
Hull
Yorkshire VIEW
KELLY, Winefred Daughter Single F 0 (9M) 1891
Hull
Yorkshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
3942 Folio:
99 Page:
21

Registration District:
Hull Sub District:
Myton Enumeration District:
57 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Barnabas

Civil Parish:
Holy Trinity and St Mary Municipal Borough:
Kingston upon Hull Address:
78, Wassand Street, Holy Trinity And St Mary, Kingston Upon Hull County:
Yorkshire (East Riding)

Hello Michelle,

On the original it atually states Head born Hull then ditto for the rest. This practice was not unusual, many people for whatever reasons stated the wrong place of birth. I think maybe being Irish for some of their neighbours was a problem............you know the usual thing.......taking our jobs etc.........I can send you the image if you click on my name and let me have your email

Ann

I havent got hold of the marriage certificate as yet.

I cant believe I have missed this. It states she was born in Hull, I clicked on image to check and it only actually states head of household for the properties. It also says her relationship to head was sister, I suspose this could also be slightly wrong and she was his sister in law.

What is interesting is that all my family come from the area of this adress.

Would you know how I would be able to access any records where it states each person living there. I can see it on the computerised sheet that you have copied above but the handwritten census is just head of household?


Many Thanks,

xx

Hi,

I picked up on this 1 earlier, and wasnt sure. It looked promising but then same family are still in Ireland on the 1911 census.

Thanks for your help, think I am going to have to try and gather a bit more info to help me.

xx

What was her father's name and occupation on her marriage certificate please?

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1916 (>99%)
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Dobson John (N_) Robinson Hull 9d 560
Giles Leonard Kelly Hull 9d 560
Kelly Winifred Giles Hull 9d 560
Robinson Gertrude Dobson Hull 9d 560

Have you looked at this entry??



1911 census - household transcription
Person: KELLY, Winefred
Address: 102 Manchester St Hull

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Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
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image

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ROBINSON, Benjamin Head Married M 30 1881 Laborer On Trawler Hull York VIEW
ROBINSON, Rose Wife F 26 1885 Hull York VIEW
KELLY, Winefred Sister Single F 21 1890 None Hull York VIEW
ROBINSON, Marian Daughter Single F 9 1902 School Hull York VIEW
ROBINSON, Lavenia Daughter Single F 7 1904 School Hull York VIEW
ROBINSON, Rose Daughter F 6 1905 School Hull York VIEW
ROBINSON, Winnie Daughter Single F 3 1908 School Hull York VIEW
ROBINSON, Ben Son Single M 1 1910 Hull York VIEW
ROBINSON, John Son Single M 0 (2 MONTHS) 1911 Hull York VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
28640 Reference:
RG14PN28640 RG78PN1646 RD521 SD4 ED30 SN197

Registration District:
Sculcoates Sub District:
Hessle Enumeration District:
30 Parish:
Sculcoates

Address:
102 Manchester St Hull County:
Yorkshire (East riding

Residents of a house 13 in Ballinsnagh (Lusmagh, King's Co.)
Show all informationSurname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living
Kelly Patrick 66 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic King's Co Farmer Can read and write - Married - 40 15 12
Kelly Winifred 63 Female Wife Roman Catholic King's Co - Can read and write - Married - 40 15 12
Kelly James 30 Male Son Roman Catholic King's Co Farmer Son Can read and write - Single - - - -
Kelly Rose A 23 Female Daughter Roman Catholic King's Co - Can read and write - Single - - - -
Kelly Joseph 22 Male Son Roman Catholic King's Co Farmer's Son Can read and write - Single - - - -
Kelly Thomas 20 Male Son Roman Catholic King's Co Farmer's Son Can read and write - Single - - - -
Kelly Winifred 18 Female Daughter Roman Catholic - - Can read and write

Hi please someone help me!!!!
My Great Grandmother Winifred Kelly was born in Ireland, around 1890, she was raised in some sort of orphanage by nuns. I dont have a great deal of info on her, I know she married my Great Grandfather Leonard Giles in 1916 in Hull, and she came across with a sibling Rose Kelly (who was also raised in the orphanage). I have no idea how old Rose was, if there where any other siblings, where abouts in Ireland they came from or when they came to England.
Im constantly hitting a brick wall.

I would greatly appreciate any help or advice regarding where to look.

Many Thanks,


Shel xx