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Family Trees that you see on the net are ours. Wayne and myself Lesley De-Turt are looking for anything for the above.
Emmeline Eliza Blanche Tanner - Birth was registered in Cornwall, on her sons death certificate it said she was born at sea, we think maybe indigenous. Around the years 1860 to 1863.
She married a seaman in the UK a Augustus Pettingell year we do not know. She arrived in Australia early 1880's married a John Murphy 1883 or 84, Beatrice was born 1885 then a son Glenworth (on mothers death Cert) born 1887, she married William Hamley 1887 a son born June 1888 Frederick William Hamley. We do know that there were three more births, daughters, but to the eldest one Madeline S we do not know who the father was as Hamley died 1890. We cannot find anything on Glenworth (Glen) Murphy and we know that he was alive in 1962 when his brother Frederick Hamley died as a today relative was with him at the funeral. We believe he had a son Glen. We cannot find any information on this gentleman. Does any one have any ideas please. I think I have exhausted the search fields. Lesley

Any chance this is Emmeline and Augustus's son?
Births Mar 1880
Pettingal Augustus Charles Camberwell 1d 904
Deaths Mar 1881
Pettingal Charles Augustus 1 Camberwell 1d 551

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915 about Emmeline Eliza Tanner
Name: Emmeline Eliza Tanner / Augustus pettengill
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Cardiff (1837-1974)
County: Glamorgan, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 360 (click to see others on page)

I also have this name but it has many variations. Try searching

P*T*G*L*

poss


1861 England Census about Emmiline Tanner
Name: Emmiline Tanner
Age: 3 MO
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Fleet James Tanner
Mother's name: Mary Tanner
Gender: Female
Where born: Porlock, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Porlock
Ecclesiastical parish: Bath and Wells
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Williton
Sub-registration district: Minehead
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 47
Household Members:
Name Age
Fleet James Tanner Marriner b Kent
Mary Tanner 39 b Kent
Maria Tanner 9
William Tanner 6
Alfred Tanner 3
Emmiline Tanner 3 MO
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1871 Wales Census about Emmiline E Tanner
Name: Emmiline E Tanner
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Fleet James Tanner
Mother's name: Mary Tanner
Gender: Female
Where born: Lynton, Devon, England
Civil Parish: St Mary
Town: Cardiff
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 20a
Household schedule number: 94
Household Members:
Name Age
Fleet James Tanner 52
Mary Tanner 49
Emmiline E Tanner 10
Albert Edward Tanner 7
Frederick Rt Tanner 5
Alice Mary Tanner 2
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Lesley,

?? Poss marriage

Reg No/Year Surname Name Spouses Surname Spouses Name District

1743/1884 Murphy John Pettingell Emily Sydney

Mel75, Ah! yes that sounds like them. They then had a daughter Beatrice born 1885 and a son Glenworth 1887.
Emily married William Hamley 1887 and a son Frederick William Hamley was born June 1888.
It is the son Glenworth born 1887 that we cannot find and we do know from a living relative that he was alive and well living in Sydney in 1962 when his brother died.
Lesley

... The NSW/BMD has a death of John George G Murphy (Reg.422/1964) - parents John & Emmaline Blanche. (I noticed Frederick William M Hamley's death 1962 shows parents - Frederick & Emily Blanche).

There is 'Joy Murrin's Transcription Services' - on-line - she will 'search' the death cert. for abt $19.

Valerie (WA)

Lesley, have only found the birth of Beatrice 1885, but cannot find a birth record of Glen/worth, I will still keep looking for any details.

When did Emily die?

I know I find it very difficult to follow dense narrative paragraphs.

Is this daughter Madeline?

19367/1895
MURPHY MADELINE S M
mother EMILY
SYDNEY

Ah yes:

19367/1895
TANNER MADELINE S M
mother EMILY
SYDNEY

Do you have the birth cert info? A second middle name can sometimes be the father's surname.

For info:

2259/1888
HAMLEY FREDERICK W
father WILLIAM H
mother EMILY
SYDNEY


Emily/Emmeline's death?

5561/1910
HAMLEY EMILY B
father WILLIAM F J
GRANVILLE

Could match the "Fleet James" father in that census.

There's no birth to match this death (or in England):

59524/1971
TANNER HENRY HERBERT
AGED 65 YRS = c1906
mother EMILY
NEWTOWN


Madeline's marriage and death:

825/1920
COSTELLO HERBERT F
> HILL MADELINE S M
SYDNEY

10/1970
COSTELLO MADELINE SARAH M
father CHARLES ALFRED
> mother EMMALINE
SYDNEY


Was this something you knew??

Two matching births:

550/1902
HILL LUCY L M
father CHARLES A
mother EMMELINE B
SYDNEY

33132/1903
HILL GERTRUDE I
father CHARLES A
mother EMMELINE
PADDINGTON


Marriages:

13619/1924
PALMER SYDNEY A
HILL LUCY L M
SYDNEY

506/1927
JONES SIDNEY D S
HILL GERTRUDE I
SYDNEY


No remarriages/deaths to 1959/1979

fyi, you have

tannermurphy

on the "surname" liine of your post. (See the URL for your thread.)

If you click on Trying to Find now, you will find that you have created a board called tannermurphy.

I don't know whether it's possible now to edit the surname line (it wasn't last week before all this mess started) but you might want to try. No one else will ever look for the tannermurphy surname board. ;)

(Also note that you say in your first post "the above". No one can see the above: tannermurphy. See how it's invisible on your actual post? It is far better to put information in your subject line as the guidance offered when your first post advises -- a name, date and place -- that will actually tell the reader something when they peruse the TTF board, i.e. rather than "Ozzie Researcher". To see what we see, you need to click on "remove this filter" from the tannermurphy "surname board".)


It appears that you may have all the info I have put in the last two posts.

If so, you should have given it.

One simply never knows what bit of info may lead to another, and the info about the surnames and father of the three daughters, e.g., could in fact prove useful at some point.

I have now found out that Glenworth Murphy name was John George Glenworth

I have always included all the information that I have at the time, it just seems that some people do not read properly.

Thanks for all your help

Lesley,

Found this on the Ryerson Index, which is Newspapers notices

Surname: Murphy
Name: John George Glanworth???
Notice Type: Death
Deathdate: 14 Jan, 1964
Age: 79
Other Details: Late of Waverley
Publication: Sydney Morning Herald
Published: 15 Jan, 1964

Do not read properly? Ah yes, that will be me. I never did learn to read properly ...

So I take it that the information I provided about the three daughters, Madeline, Lucy and Gertrude, was all new to you. Because no matter how I try to read your posts here, that information is not there.

In which case, YOU ARE VERY WELCOME for the considerable amount of time and effort I put into finding it for you!


btw, you have "now found out" ... from the info Valerie posted above (I'm sure I wasn't reading properly because if I was I would have seen your thanks to her), or from some source that was available to you already?

JaneyCanuck

I do find a note of sarcasim in your posting
I do appreciate everyones help on these postings
All information regarding this family I now have
As I did not mention Madeline, Lucy or Gertrude in any postings would mean that I did have all the information
As I do not sit on the program all day there is considerable that I do not know how to use and I appreciate what help is given
btw what ever that mean?

"As I did not mention Madeline, Lucy or Gertrude in any postings would mean that I did have all the information"

Excellent! I'm happy for you.

Did you read the guidance before posting?

Did you read any other threads on the board to get a feel for how things work around here?

When people do not give information, the usual reasonable assumption is that they do *not* have it. No, a poster's failure to mention information quite simply does not mean that the poster has it. Not. Period, full stop, not.

When people want information, the usual reasonable assumption is that they will offer the information they have (since that's what the guidance offered advises to do, and what reasonable people would do), to assist others in searching for what they want, and to avoid others spending their time "finding" information that isn't lost.

And oh, I do love being told what busy lives others have, who "do not sit on the program all day", unlike the rest of us dull souls with nothing better to do. Btw, my advise about the subject/surname on your post was purely charitable, because all regulars here know how confusing the "surname line" in particular is, and how often the way it is used, there being no explanation of what it actually does, serves no purpose.

Btw, btw means "by the way".

And the only sarcasm you saw in my post was when I said you were welcome for all my time and effort in attempting to help you, pointlessly, since you had not breathed a word of acknowledgement of the efforts of anyone here, other than a perfunctory "thanks for all your help" that did not respond to anyone in particular for their own efforts in your service.

Oh, yeah, and that I wasn't reading properly. That one has amused a number of people.

further to you last posting
your tone of voice is not very nice
and the words people not readin g properly was not posted to you thank you.

There are so many people helping what do I do go into each separate person and say thanks

Any Way you seem to be the one with all the experience on here I do sincerely thank you for your help